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Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud Send a noteboard - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM
I don't know if he is a good writer or a bad writer and to be frank I really don't care. I enjoy him, when I enjoy very few authors. Things that other people cite as weaknesses, I enjoy.

I take any critique of any author with truckloads of salt. EVERYBODY thinks they have above average tastes and intelligence when that is obviously impossible.

Some people make up crazy metrics and apply them inconsistently. (My favorite one of these is RJs supposed over fascination with clothing and description in general. True, RJ intersperses a lot of 'her dress is yellow slashed with green, etc.' But taken together, I doubt it even comes close to comparing to Tolkien's obsession with describing landscapes not to mention the elvish poems and songs.) Other people have even weirder criterion such as the percentage of main characters that die. Others confuse being bored with boring. (If I didn't like it, it must be boring.)

In the end, though, I don't even trust the professional critics. My criteria are things like 'do I enjoy it' or 'does it give me something to think about and talk about' or 'does it help me to see people and the 'real' world better' or 'is it re-readable again and again and again. No Oxford don can tell me how I am going to feel no matter how intelligent and knowledgeable he is.

Another thing to remember is that anyone who wants to inflate their ego will ALWAYS negatively criticize an author. Any critic who is always positive will quickly develop the reputation of a shill and a sell-out. A critic that is always negative will be thought as having discriminating taste. (Its not a bug; its a feature.) Add that to the fact that the vast majority (maybe all books) have a lot more people who dislike (or are apathetic) to them than those who like them. Finally, as a general rule people prefer negative reviews to positive. People may not like to see car wrecks but neither can they take their eyes off of them.

It is simply much easier to tear down an author with made up statistics and opinions dressed as fact then it is to admit that it is your personal opinion.

RJ like all authors is what he is. If you enjoy him don't let anyone's supposed knowledgeable criticism keep you from enjoying his work. If you don't like him, read someone else. If you want to criticize him, go ahead.


Well said. I enjoy WOT. There are not many books/series that I have read more than once. WOT definitely falls into that category.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3525 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1954 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1623 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1447 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1529 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1312 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 985 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1942 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1638 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1436 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1695 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 2012 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1720 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1856 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1474 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1559 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 918 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2555 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1633 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1580 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1916 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1791 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 889 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1743 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1386 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1548 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1495 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1505 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1779 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1377 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1402 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1685 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1516 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1487 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1616 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1486 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 970 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1549 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1469 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1419 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1408 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1449 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1409 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1469 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1533 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1478 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 925 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1380 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1276 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1545 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1586 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1451 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1698 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1490 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1521 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1650 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1508 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 899 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1341 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 856 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1417 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 887 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1548 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1637 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 816 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 841 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 964 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1447 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1541 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1413 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1706 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1385 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1552 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1422 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1419 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1529 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 873 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1319 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1534 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1589 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1382 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1377 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1696 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1626 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1598 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1484 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1258 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1540 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1311 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1612 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1708 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1535 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1663 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1603 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1600 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1722 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 986 Views

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