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double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs Send a noteboard - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM
That absurd rant almost puts you on par with "Lo'oris" for stupidity.

You first say that everything is subjective, then you say that a cross in urine is objectively not art. That position is exactly how people defend modern art - everything is subjective. Pick a position and stick with it.

You are fully within your rights to say that everyone has their own tastes as to what they like and don't like. I don't think anyone here at any point was trying to say that people don't have a right to like Robert Jordan or anyone else for that matter.

However, your reductionist argument is useless. By that standard, someone who writes a book where every sentence looks like "The ddog jumt and itwer happi with sanwichus becuz she think God wil b 2 happi and SAILBOAT!" is "well written". If there is no way of using consensus to agree on criteria by which something can be judged for value than nothing has any meaning at all. Why learn anything at all?

I find it amazing how violently stupid so many of you are here at the WoT board. It's like I wandered into a trailer park or something.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3528 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1954 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1625 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1449 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1531 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1312 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 986 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1942 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1641 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1098 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1438 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1697 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1494 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 2012 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1723 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1859 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1476 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1649 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1514 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1528 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1562 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 918 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2559 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1637 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1583 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1846 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1617 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1559 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1704 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 958 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1465 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1920 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1794 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 889 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1745 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 964 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 972 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1388 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1550 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1497 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1508 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1783 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1379 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1402 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1687 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1557 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1517 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1487 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1618 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1486 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 970 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1551 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1473 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1420 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1411 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1451 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1411 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1474 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1537 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1481 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 926 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1382 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1280 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1547 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1588 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1454 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1702 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1492 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1525 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1652 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1512 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 901 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1343 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 856 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1422 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 887 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1548 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1641 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1963 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1375 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1366 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1360 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 817 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 842 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 965 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1451 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1541 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1415 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1708 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1387 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1554 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1424 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1421 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1529 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 876 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1322 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1534 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1591 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1385 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1380 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1698 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1629 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1600 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1486 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1260 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1544 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1314 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1615 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1711 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1539 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1666 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1606 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1603 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1723 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1516 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 986 Views
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