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double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs Send a noteboard - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM
That absurd rant almost puts you on par with "Lo'oris" for stupidity.

You first say that everything is subjective, then you say that a cross in urine is objectively not art. That position is exactly how people defend modern art - everything is subjective. Pick a position and stick with it.

You are fully within your rights to say that everyone has their own tastes as to what they like and don't like. I don't think anyone here at any point was trying to say that people don't have a right to like Robert Jordan or anyone else for that matter.

However, your reductionist argument is useless. By that standard, someone who writes a book where every sentence looks like "The ddog jumt and itwer happi with sanwichus becuz she think God wil b 2 happi and SAILBOAT!" is "well written". If there is no way of using consensus to agree on criteria by which something can be judged for value than nothing has any meaning at all. Why learn anything at all?

I find it amazing how violently stupid so many of you are here at the WoT board. It's like I wandered into a trailer park or something.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3591 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 2007 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1680 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1509 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1589 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1376 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 1051 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1997 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1708 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1166 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1524 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1807 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1566 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 2083 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1800 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1952 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1538 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1715 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1566 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1584 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1619 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 961 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2666 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1749 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1646 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1929 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1677 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1625 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1799 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 1032 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1515 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 2051 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1876 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 955 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1812 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 1025 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 1032 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1453 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1610 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1559 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1641 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1841 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1438 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1480 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1736 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1622 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1576 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1543 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1697 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1551 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 1031 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1616 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1584 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1480 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1498 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1535 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1503 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1531 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1590 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1552 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 966 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1446 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1333 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1659 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1670 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1510 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1848 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1552 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1582 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1771 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1618 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 968 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1421 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 906 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1498 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 928 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1674 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1737 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 2016 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1471 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1444 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1415 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 885 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 908 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 1030 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1507 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1633 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1475 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1831 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1444 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1611 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1507 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1508 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1634 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 959 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1384 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1624 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1699 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1454 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1436 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1791 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1746 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1707 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1610 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1313 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1640 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1398 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1727 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1791 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1627 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1756 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1686 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1665 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1790 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1608 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 1053 Views
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