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Is that so? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM
I'd ask you to support or justify that statement, but given that you have not yet done so for the original assertion, I'm guessing that would be a waste of time.

If you want to seriously discuss what makes something aesthetically pleasing, list something that is considered "serious literature" that you've read so we can compare that author's style with Jordan's.


What is you fixation on Jordan anyway? Do you consider him the measure of all literature?

If you haven't read Lolita then Lolita isn't a good example because I'm not going to re-type massive sections of the novel in an attempt to convince you, especially when you don't seem to seriously want to discuss this.


Explain why you would need to re-type massive sections of the novel to explain that these phrases "paint beautiful pictures".

Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta.

She was Lo, plain Lo, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Lola in slacks. She was Dolly at school. She was Dolores on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Lolita.

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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3656 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 2108 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1749 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1580 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1648 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1447 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 1115 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 2106 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1785 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1221 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1632 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1918 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1645 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 2159 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1884 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 2063 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1599 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1790 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1639 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1645 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1698 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 1000 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2763 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1838 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1710 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 2032 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1753 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1687 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1908 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 1094 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1582 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 2174 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1986 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 1019 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1881 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 1083 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 1123 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1517 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1671 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1630 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1754 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1920 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1502 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1577 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1809 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1700 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1651 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1608 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1764 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1620 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 1125 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1678 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1700 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1545 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1582 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1636 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1605 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1595 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1658 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1615 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 1003 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1507 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1402 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1773 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1768 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1583 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1990 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1624 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1653 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1890 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1718 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 1024 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1523 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 958 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1619 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 971 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1804 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1829 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 2075 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1576 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1522 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1478 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 972 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 996 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 1111 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1567 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1745 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1549 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1957 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1546 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1689 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1624 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1622 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1736 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 1016 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1447 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1726 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1799 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1519 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1504 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1896 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1919 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1844 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1730 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1389 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1753 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1458 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1843 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1873 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1755 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1841 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1773 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1735 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1856 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1700 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 1127 Views
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