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Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom Send a noteboard - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM
That absurd rant almost puts you on par with "Lo'oris" for stupidity.

You first say that everything is subjective, then you say that a cross in urine is objectively not art. That position is exactly how people defend modern art - everything is subjective. Pick a position and stick with it.

You are fully within your rights to say that everyone has their own tastes as to what they like and don't like. I don't think anyone here at any point was trying to say that people don't have a right to like Robert Jordan or anyone else for that matter.

However, your reductionist argument is useless. By that standard, someone who writes a book where every sentence looks like "The ddog jumt and itwer happi with sanwichus becuz she think God wil b 2 happi and SAILBOAT!" is "well written". If there is no way of using consensus to agree on criteria by which something can be judged for value than nothing has any meaning at all. Why learn anything at all?

I find it amazing how violently stupid so many of you are here at the WoT board. It's like I wandered into a trailer park or something.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3590 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 2007 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1680 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1509 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1589 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1376 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 1051 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1997 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1707 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1165 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1523 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1806 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1566 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 2082 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1799 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1952 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1538 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1715 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1566 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1584 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1618 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 960 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2665 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1748 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1645 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1928 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1677 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1625 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1798 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 1032 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1514 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 2050 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1876 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 954 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1812 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 1025 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 1032 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1453 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1610 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1558 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1640 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1840 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1438 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1480 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1736 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1622 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1576 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1543 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1697 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1551 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 1031 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1615 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1583 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1479 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1497 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1534 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1502 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1530 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1590 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1551 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 966 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1446 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1332 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1658 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1669 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1508 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1847 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1551 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1581 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1771 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1617 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 967 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1420 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 905 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1497 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 927 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1673 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1736 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 2015 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1470 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1443 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1414 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 885 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 907 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 1030 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1506 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1633 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1474 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1831 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1444 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1611 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1506 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1507 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1633 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 958 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1384 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1624 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1699 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1453 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1436 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1790 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1745 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1706 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1609 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1312 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1639 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1397 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1726 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1790 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1626 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1755 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1686 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1664 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1789 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1607 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 1052 Views
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