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My list would be similar... DomA Send a noteboard - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM
The Unbearable Lightness of Being is a wonderful, insightful book.


Kundera is pure delight, "L'Insoutenable" is one of the most memorable books I've read between 16-20 (this one read after a fervent sale pitch by the teacher whose opinion on "good writers" you don't agree with. I forgot to mention before his advice came with a whole lot of passionate opinions about who he thought were great writers - a list you'd fully agree with!).. I don't like all that much where Kundera has gone with L'immortalité and haven't read his more recent ouput.


Most people who like fantasy and science fiction have at least heard of Umberto Eco, a brilliant writer who has touched on esoteric topics in The Name of the Rose and Foucault's Pendulum.


I adore Eco's books. Eco's novels have to hold the record for the number of books they've inspired me to read afterward.

I enjoy Viktor Pelevin, a Russian writer who has been translated into English, although there is a bit of a pop-philosophy feel to his books that keeps me ambivalent about whether or not he's really a good writer or not.

Anthony Burgess' Clockwork Orange is far better than the movie of the same name


... And I also had a Burgess phase. He was brilliant.

Some authors I did not like at all (Steinbeck, any Bronte sister, Gunter Grass).


I rather enjoyed Grass decades ago (well 2 decades ago, I'm just 42...) or at least some aspects of his work, but I completely agree on Steinbeck and the sisters. I would add to the list Hemingway, and Miller. I liked the few De Lillo I've read, and I had a lot of fun reading John Irving as a youth, but overall my relatively low interest in American culture has tended to make me stay away from modern American writers in general or made them low priority, except for my occasional ventures in genre fiction. The American writer I've loved the most (at some point anyway) and read the most is probably Burroughs (Kérouac we rather consider an expatriated local writer, so he doesn't count...). Woody Allen, though I wouldn't say his writing ouput is what stands out.

I've enjoyed Marquez, but not as much as some.

Others I think are pure genius (Pasternak, Dostoevsky, Bulgakov, Nabokov, Wilde, Flaubert, Mann, Thackeray, Dante, Molière, Fitzgerald, Dickens, Hesse, Orwell, Huxley).


I haven't read Fitzegerald, and I would rate what I read by Huxley more as brilliant in terms of ideas and vision than in form, but otherwise it's not a bad list at all. I have not ventured anywhere as far as you in Russian literature, but I've loved Pasternak, and Dostoevsky in the mid-90 French translation was a real rediscovery after the laborious experience with him in college (the older ones are really bad, the translators sought to "enhance" him by giving him a style close to Tolstoy's). Mann is pure genius.

My own list would forcibly include many more French (or Francophonie) writers beside Flaubert who is maybe the best of them all or at least in the top three: Maupassant (from Flaubert's circle, though a more minor writer), Camus, Zola, Boris Vian, MacOrlan, Raymond Queneau, Alfred Jarry., Romain Gary/Emile Ajar Laferrière, Anne Hébert, Réjean Ducharme, Tremblay (those four I consider the true world-class great writers Québec produced so far, of those Ducharme is the most unique/brilliant, to my taste), Malouf, Kadra among more recent ones.

For the stage? Ionesco, Beckett, Racine, Molière, Stringberg, Mueller. More recently Mouawad. I'm not a big reader of plays, though.

The very old writers? I've loved François Villon, Marie de France, loved Tristan et Iseult far more than I did Arthuriana (Malory puts me to sleep, De Troyes mysticim is a major irritant), Rabelais of course. On the english side Swift, more than De Foe. Dickens. Perreault's and Lafontaine's French is lovely. I have a fondness for Saint-Simon and a deep admiration for his brilliant handling of language.

Then there are those that I can appreciate in some sense but not in others (like Joyce, Kerouac, Chekhov, Tolstoy, Dumas, Cervantes, Salinger).


Joyce can get irritating. Salinger is OK, I guess. Dumas for me falls more in the "guilty pleasure" category ("guilty" because they're long books and I should spend my very limited time reading new stuff than occasionally re reading Dumas.. same thing for Jordan and co., incidentally) than that of the great writers. A good writer considering the constraints he worked under, a great storyteller and one whose characters took a life of their own, but "great writer" I'm not sure. It's hard to put him in that category, in the greater picture of French literature in particular (I sometimes half think people love to label him a classic mostly because it's one old writer they find easy and interesting enough to read). Dumas's French is nice, musical - and the grammars feature quite a few Dumas quotes, but his French remains very academic and conventional for his time - Dumas's genius such as it is lays elsewhere.

As for those I've had troubles with despite their reputation, the "classics" among them would certainly include Proust (his descriptive passages alone must fill the space of 2-3 WOT books if not more - and his paragraph long sentences are annoying) and Claudel, Sainte-Beuve. Voltaire's Candide kind of bores me. A lot of Hugo bored me, though his French is great(his poetry I just can't stand). Balzac is another I take only in small doses. I just can't stand Céline. Sand wrote well but bores me. Another I find most forgettable is Sade (That the term sadism was coinded will never make him one the great writers IMO). It tends to annoy me when I see Verne raised to the status of "great writer" by some (it's rarely done by the French). The worshipping of Druon as some sort of "great writer" by some is annoying (the man himself is even more, though!) - his writing is laborious and academic (and a total reactionary, wanted to be a new Flaubert in the days of the likes of Camus, ended up being a sub-Dumas at best) and though his storytelling is entertaining for young people (I liked him well enough at 13, just couldn't stand his writing when I tried to reread him a few years ago), there's also more historical falsehoods in Les Rois Maudits than in Dan Brown- I think the next time someone argues back to me "I think you're wrong about this or that, it's not how it happened, read Les Rois Maudits) I'm gonna bite him (at least most people today know better than to take a Dumas novel as a history book.. aside from their wild beliefs about figures like Mazarin or Richelieu anyway...).

The whole "Nouveau Roman" movement bored me, Alain Robbe-Grillet in particular. Sartre was a very significant philosopher, but I find his fiction pretty much forgettable, his writing style even more. I could also add quite a few of the French darlings of the last decade - too much about style, not enough about storytelling, IMO.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3120 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1503 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1156 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1015 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1115 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 878 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 732 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1494 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1228 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1151 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1519 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1183 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1306 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1078 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1060 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 720 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 1931 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1123 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1183 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1302 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1244 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 636 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1299 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1000 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1147 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1077 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 934 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1339 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 970 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1016 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1210 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1085 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1078 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1225 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1011 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 699 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1118 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 915 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1026 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 916 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 972 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 904 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1069 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1134 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1034 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 731 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 968 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 833 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 979 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1097 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1054 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1048 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1057 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1104 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1085 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 987 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 640 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 841 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 656 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 923 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 716 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1001 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1149 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 567 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 606 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 697 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1028 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1051 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 995 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1133 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 967 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1132 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 930 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 968 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1042 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 597 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 906 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1055 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1092 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 979 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 935 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1200 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1021 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1078 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 870 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 866 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1038 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 929 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1063 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1139 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1050 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1124 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1172 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1068 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1290 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 724 Views

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