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The audio clip is 48 minutes long, and it's kind of impressive to listen to. It's the first time that I've listened to an audio chapter and it's rather appealing. That said, if you don't feel like listening to it, here is the chapter summary...

It starts off with Egwene in Silviana's study. She has been beaten again, and she wipes off the tears and looks in the mirror and smiles. Silviana wonders whether her punishment is useless and looks at the lash hopelessly. She marks Egwene down for further punishment, citing that Egwene will probably not show the proper manners when leaving anyway. Egwene says that she's been invited to have dinner with Elaida, which shocks Silviana.

Egwene leaves and is met by Katerine and Barasine, who give her another dose of forkroot. Katerine is amusingly wearing red slashed with black. Egwene notices the halls of the Tower and sees Sisters walking quickly in groups of the same ajah - some even holding on to saidar. She refuses to be early for Elaida because that will show deference, so she decides to hang around outside the Mistress of Novice's rooms and wait. She wants to see if Alviarin will show up. While doing this she asks Katerine and Barasine how they can tolerate the Tower being in such a state of desrepair. Katerine is dismissive and tells her to report to the Mistress tonight again, but Barasine looks troubled. The Mistress's door closes, and Egwene thinks that Silviana has been listening to her rant about the Tower, and she smiles to herself. Egwene tells the two Reds that they should be harsh on Elaida because her legacy will be the Reds'.

The three of them walk off to Elaida's rooms, but on the way the passage is suddenly blocked by a wall, and Egwene says that the Tower is changing on a daily basis, with new passages forming - a sure sign that the Dark One is stirring. She notices a painting of a previous Amyrlin who settled a dispute several centuries previously - but the Amyrlin's face is covered in blood and the people have become dead bodies. Egwene says it is the first time that the Pattern is actually altering reality in things like paintings. She muses on rumours she's heard in the Tower - of how Rand escaped the Aes Sedai, of how Ash'aman captured the Aes Sedai and bonded them.

She reaches Elaida, and Meidani opens the doors. Egwene struggles as to how she'll be with Elaida. She decides to face Elaida head on, but decides that will lead to her execution or imprisonment, making it difficult to win the Tower. She thus decides to be meek and subservient and make Elaida think there is no battle. This proves to be difficult because everything Elaida does enrages Egwene. Egwene notices that Elaida's shawl doesn't contain the Blue ajah, and she thinks that she herself would have chosen Green if she hadn't been made Amyrlin. Elaida's rooms are extravagant and richly decorated, and Egwene muses on how Siuan would have been different. She bows to Elaida and feels the agony of it. Elaida laughs and tells her she expected a fight, after what she heard.

Elaida starts to torment Meidani, who Egwene knows to be a spy. She knows that Elaida knows too. Elaida has forced Meidani to read up on traitors in the Tower's history, and she jokes that maybe Meidani should lose the shawl because she's dimwitted. Meidani is horrified, and Egwene too. Elaida then says that the rumours of the Seanchan are nonsense, and Egwene is very angry about this. She says that her dreaming makes it certain that the Seanchan will hit the Tower soon. Egwene wishes that Elaida knew the pain of the a'dam, and Egwene says that she still has problems with freedom and struggles with her history as a damane. Elaida says that the biggest problem facing the Tower isn't the Seanchan - it's the lack of Aes Sedai obedience. Elaida says she plans to incorporate a 4th Oath - to obey the Amyrlin Seat without question. This causes Egwene such shock she drops the soup she is serving on to Elaida's expensive carpet, and nearly onto Elaida.

Elaida curses and runs to get servants to clean the carpet, but orders Meidani to help Egwene, citing that the carpet cost more than Emonds Field. Lol. Egwene uses this opportunity to tell Meidani to send for her to tutor so that they can chat. Meidani says that she won't be ordered by a novice, but Egwene says that she's the Amyrlin and she better remember that. Meidani realises Egwene's game, and says she'll send for her. Elaida returns and orders Egwene out, and tells her to get beaten, healed, and beaten again - and to return later in the week to serve her.

Egwene goes to the kitchen to eat. The novices have put her cushion on the seat for her sore butt, but she eats alone because it is so late. She washes her plate and catches Laras's eye. Egwene then muses on how Rand is going through the world unguided (which is ominous if you ask me). She then returns to Silviana and notices that she's reading a book on how Amyrlins were raised in the past. Silviana starts beating her after she says what Elaida told her about a 4th Oath. Egwene starts to laugh, and Silviana becomes concerned that her mind is broken. She says she's laughing because they think they can harm her body when the agony of seeing the Tower in such a state is far worse. She plants some seeds in Silviana's mind, and says she has much work to do.
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She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2046 Views
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he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2122 Views
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WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2309 Views
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So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 2140 Views
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2171 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2172 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2361 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2102 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2179 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2253 Views
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Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2230 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2127 Views
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Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2259 Views
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I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1331 Views
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Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2148 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2201 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2097 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 2144 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2204 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2489 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2317 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2122 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1290 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2153 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2265 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1276 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2298 Views
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And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2357 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2188 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1329 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1372 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2078 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2234 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2200 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2221 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2217 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2362 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2240 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2073 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2189 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2301 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2302 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1962 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2403 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2266 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2072 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2208 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2214 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2267 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2270 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2100 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2168 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2257 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1296 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2187 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2126 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2208 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2437 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2165 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2166 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2151 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1269 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2069 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2216 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2005 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2240 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2010 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2143 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2188 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2205 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2213 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2067 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2192 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2207 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2216 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2170 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2165 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2483 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1258 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2336 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1953 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2228 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2086 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2049 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1231 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2364 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2286 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2415 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2188 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1394 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2226 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2309 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1310 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2062 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2020 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2009 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2218 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2169 Views

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