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Chapter summary Sidious Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM
The audio clip is 48 minutes long, and it's kind of impressive to listen to. It's the first time that I've listened to an audio chapter and it's rather appealing. That said, if you don't feel like listening to it, here is the chapter summary...

It starts off with Egwene in Silviana's study. She has been beaten again, and she wipes off the tears and looks in the mirror and smiles. Silviana wonders whether her punishment is useless and looks at the lash hopelessly. She marks Egwene down for further punishment, citing that Egwene will probably not show the proper manners when leaving anyway. Egwene says that she's been invited to have dinner with Elaida, which shocks Silviana.

Egwene leaves and is met by Katerine and Barasine, who give her another dose of forkroot. Katerine is amusingly wearing red slashed with black. Egwene notices the halls of the Tower and sees Sisters walking quickly in groups of the same ajah - some even holding on to saidar. She refuses to be early for Elaida because that will show deference, so she decides to hang around outside the Mistress of Novice's rooms and wait. She wants to see if Alviarin will show up. While doing this she asks Katerine and Barasine how they can tolerate the Tower being in such a state of desrepair. Katerine is dismissive and tells her to report to the Mistress tonight again, but Barasine looks troubled. The Mistress's door closes, and Egwene thinks that Silviana has been listening to her rant about the Tower, and she smiles to herself. Egwene tells the two Reds that they should be harsh on Elaida because her legacy will be the Reds'.

The three of them walk off to Elaida's rooms, but on the way the passage is suddenly blocked by a wall, and Egwene says that the Tower is changing on a daily basis, with new passages forming - a sure sign that the Dark One is stirring. She notices a painting of a previous Amyrlin who settled a dispute several centuries previously - but the Amyrlin's face is covered in blood and the people have become dead bodies. Egwene says it is the first time that the Pattern is actually altering reality in things like paintings. She muses on rumours she's heard in the Tower - of how Rand escaped the Aes Sedai, of how Ash'aman captured the Aes Sedai and bonded them.

She reaches Elaida, and Meidani opens the doors. Egwene struggles as to how she'll be with Elaida. She decides to face Elaida head on, but decides that will lead to her execution or imprisonment, making it difficult to win the Tower. She thus decides to be meek and subservient and make Elaida think there is no battle. This proves to be difficult because everything Elaida does enrages Egwene. Egwene notices that Elaida's shawl doesn't contain the Blue ajah, and she thinks that she herself would have chosen Green if she hadn't been made Amyrlin. Elaida's rooms are extravagant and richly decorated, and Egwene muses on how Siuan would have been different. She bows to Elaida and feels the agony of it. Elaida laughs and tells her she expected a fight, after what she heard.

Elaida starts to torment Meidani, who Egwene knows to be a spy. She knows that Elaida knows too. Elaida has forced Meidani to read up on traitors in the Tower's history, and she jokes that maybe Meidani should lose the shawl because she's dimwitted. Meidani is horrified, and Egwene too. Elaida then says that the rumours of the Seanchan are nonsense, and Egwene is very angry about this. She says that her dreaming makes it certain that the Seanchan will hit the Tower soon. Egwene wishes that Elaida knew the pain of the a'dam, and Egwene says that she still has problems with freedom and struggles with her history as a damane. Elaida says that the biggest problem facing the Tower isn't the Seanchan - it's the lack of Aes Sedai obedience. Elaida says she plans to incorporate a 4th Oath - to obey the Amyrlin Seat without question. This causes Egwene such shock she drops the soup she is serving on to Elaida's expensive carpet, and nearly onto Elaida.

Elaida curses and runs to get servants to clean the carpet, but orders Meidani to help Egwene, citing that the carpet cost more than Emonds Field. Lol. Egwene uses this opportunity to tell Meidani to send for her to tutor so that they can chat. Meidani says that she won't be ordered by a novice, but Egwene says that she's the Amyrlin and she better remember that. Meidani realises Egwene's game, and says she'll send for her. Elaida returns and orders Egwene out, and tells her to get beaten, healed, and beaten again - and to return later in the week to serve her.

Egwene goes to the kitchen to eat. The novices have put her cushion on the seat for her sore butt, but she eats alone because it is so late. She washes her plate and catches Laras's eye. Egwene then muses on how Rand is going through the world unguided (which is ominous if you ask me). She then returns to Silviana and notices that she's reading a book on how Amyrlins were raised in the past. Silviana starts beating her after she says what Elaida told her about a 4th Oath. Egwene starts to laugh, and Silviana becomes concerned that her mind is broken. She says she's laughing because they think they can harm her body when the agony of seeing the Tower in such a state is far worse. She plants some seeds in Silviana's mind, and says she has much work to do.
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This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1928 Views
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True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1989 Views
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There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1745 Views
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But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1781 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1781 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1580 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1920 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1677 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1743 Views
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Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1077 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1906 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1676 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1811 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1870 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1929 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2005 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1856 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1917 Views
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She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1716 Views
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nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1025 Views
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Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1610 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1965 Views
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Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1605 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1771 Views
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Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1245 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1884 Views
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Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1846 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1743 Views
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Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1768 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 998 Views
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I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1081 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1716 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1662 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1807 Views
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Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1876 Views
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Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1594 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1694 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1679 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1903 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1670 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1733 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1804 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1813 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1781 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1658 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1784 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1820 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1679 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1098 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1577 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1722 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1759 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1743 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1694 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1624 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1706 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1782 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2034 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1866 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1708 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1048 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1726 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1740 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1037 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1836 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1760 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1936 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1896 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1731 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1085 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1124 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1650 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1786 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1761 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1780 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1783 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1915 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1817 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1622 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1734 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1867 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1859 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1521 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1955 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1804 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1615 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1753 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1739 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1800 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1825 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1656 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1717 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1820 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1057 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1727 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1679 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1722 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2003 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1738 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1690 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1707 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1040 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1625 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1732 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1549 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1807 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1553 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1706 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1745 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1787 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1791 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1615 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1745 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1731 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1783 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1695 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1717 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2063 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1003 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1876 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1531 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1760 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1652 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1601 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1013 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1890 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1845 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1947 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1749 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1146 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1807 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1846 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1073 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1634 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1592 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1844 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1747 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1713 Views

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