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Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM
Actually, this was kind of a surprise... they released chapter 2 on audio.

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No expected explosion. Just more down-to-earth real work. I like it. It is easier to have a shouting match with Elaida, much harder to do the real work of uniting the different factions.

I have two thoughts after this.

First, would Egwene realize her own abuse of personal obeience oath? It has been clear that the Oath Rod is abused way more than before. Previously, the Three Oath have come to a realtive balance of pretecting the world from AS abuse. With the personal obeience oath, by so many different factions, I don't know how they are ever going to put the genie back inside the bottle.

We have seen conflicting oath before. I bet we would see a circular oath in the book very soon. So AS A has to obey AS B, and AS B has to obey AS C, but AS C must obey AS A.

With personal obeience oath, you have a Sul'dam, damane relationship without the A'dam. Have the damane bound to sul'dam, then tell the damane to function like what the A'dam would enforce, and you have a slavery relationship right there. The only reason we have not seen it is because people have not yet used the oath like. But I can't see why people are so against the Seanchan practice can allow those type of oath to exist.

Second, I don't exactly get the food rotting thing. When food rot, I think you can no longer get any nutrition out of it. But the few examples here, you can still eat it, and it still gives you nutrition, just it tastes horrible. Adding spice to wine(Rand's wine in chaper 1) and food (soup in chapter 2) would make it fine.

It is like the DO is tainting food just like tainting saidin. There is a dirty filth on the surface of the food, and you have to reach across that filth to reach the nutrition underneath.

It is like food is not rotten like the food being rotten regularly, but it is a form of food poisoning, only much slower. Food is poisoned by a form of the DO's taint, and I wonder if people (both men and women) whould go mad from this new taint if they eat enough food! That would be the reason to start TG before all people went mad from slow food poisoning!

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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 8268 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2770 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1507 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 2602 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 1364 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1406 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 2260 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 2174 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 2094 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2739 Views
Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2845 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 1287 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1543 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 1343 Views
+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 2284 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 2410 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 2323 Views
Re: Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 2412 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2435 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2440 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 2408 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 2339 Views
Can Fain do that? - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 2292 Views
No he can't (couldn't) - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 2498 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 2413 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2311 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 2290 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2366 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2350 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2285 Views
This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2343 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2472 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2444 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2297 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2349 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 2214 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2228 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2222 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2221 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2041 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2434 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2121 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2185 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2284 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2980 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2372 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2357 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2464 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1672 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2299 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2270 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 2164 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1317 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2345 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 2116 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1985 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2348 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2353 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2441 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2307 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2408 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2434 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 2093 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2173 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2140 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2297 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 2070 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2320 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2398 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1271 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2268 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2453 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 2036 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2419 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 2173 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2276 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1794 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2221 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2251 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2264 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 2189 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2451 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1498 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2327 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2482 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2292 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 2161 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2385 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 2178 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2344 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2260 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2535 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2467 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2312 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 2091 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2252 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2227 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1242 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2418 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2328 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2239 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2309 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1311 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 2139 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 2131 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2255 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2241 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2313 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2331 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2226 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 2061 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2166 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2167 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2359 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2101 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2177 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2251 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2282 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2228 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2123 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2257 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2258 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 2114 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1330 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 2045 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2146 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2201 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2203 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2199 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2093 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 2141 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2202 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2483 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2315 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2118 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1289 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2151 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2263 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1275 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2294 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2220 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2379 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2355 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2186 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1327 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1371 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2076 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2231 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2199 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2220 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2216 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2361 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2239 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2070 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2187 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2299 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2299 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1958 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2402 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2264 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2071 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2207 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2213 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2266 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2267 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2099 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2167 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2256 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1293 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2186 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2124 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2202 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2435 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2164 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2164 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2149 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1268 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2068 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2215 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2003 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2237 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2008 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2141 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2184 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2203 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2212 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2065 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2191 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2201 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2215 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2169 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2162 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2481 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1257 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2335 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1949 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2227 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2085 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2048 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1230 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2363 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2282 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2410 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2185 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1393 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2225 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2307 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1309 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2061 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2017 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2007 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2217 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2168 Views

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