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I like it - especially the points Egwene delivered. As I said before, it took a long time in going but I think RJ really didn't have much for Egwene to do until the latter part of the books - unfortunate for his overall pacing, though it may be. She is the only character I think RJ developed as an adult with very little immaturity in between, so her POV sounded very crisp and fully realized.

It was funny that Katerine's face paled - considering she is Black Ajah. Perhaps she was paling thinking of a future victory?

"What's more important? The White Tower or (her) pride?" I believe out of the main cast, only Elayne has had a similar event, and I think it shows the relative difference in emotional range RJ invested the characters with. I think it is because she is one of the characters he cared about the most. Especially the description of her emotions when confronting Elaida. She shows legitimate growth here and I can't really say the same for all of the protagonists.

Elaida's descent really comes as a drop into hell, here. She really does personify the most direct threat against the White Tower ever personified. But it is very believable, and consistent with her latest experiences.

I think Egwene grows leaps and bounds; I'm not sure how RJ would have written the scene, though. It was really well written and it was almost a mirror image of what happened to Moiraine so many books ago.

I do wonder how long it is until the military of the various nations are unable to take part in Tarmon Gaidon due to the lack of edible food.

This chapter really illustrates that the Battle for the (3rd Age) Hall of Servants has gained in importance...the White Tower, even broken, is the most united of all of the various leaderships, and the stakes really have escalated to the point where her struggle is a mirror image to Rand's on a more concentrated scale.

She really learned to drink in the pain, because her pain at swallowing her bitterness made a mere strapping seem ridiculous. It's not about claiming privileges for Aes Sedai, but about respecting other people.

This also showed that she learned exactly what she needed to from the Aiel Wise Ones.
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7944 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2556 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1401 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 2407 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 1247 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1309 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 2060 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1997 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1890 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2540 Views
Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2640 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 1164 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1336 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 1218 Views
+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 2085 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 2190 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 2127 Views
Re: Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 2238 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2223 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2255 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 2188 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 2109 Views
Can Fain do that? - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 2097 Views
No he can't (couldn't) - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 2310 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 2210 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2110 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 2084 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2166 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2123 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2081 Views
This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2165 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2247 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2247 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2093 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2107 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1996 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2018 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2035 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2034 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1837 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2205 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1925 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2011 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2067 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2781 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2177 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2144 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2279 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1549 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2130 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2089 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1983 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1213 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2160 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1927 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1884 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2135 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2171 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2253 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2109 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2194 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2256 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1907 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2000 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1960 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2117 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1875 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2114 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2191 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1160 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2070 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2249 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1857 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2205 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1978 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2108 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1684 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2025 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2049 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2072 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1978 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2252 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1384 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2146 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2310 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2109 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1985 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2166 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1951 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2124 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2086 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2334 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2264 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2136 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1912 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2072 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2016 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1134 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2213 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2146 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2063 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2124 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1214 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1965 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1935 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2063 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2063 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2112 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2136 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2054 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1864 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1959 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1928 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2167 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1926 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1986 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2069 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2076 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2040 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1926 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2047 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2087 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1940 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1228 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1848 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1970 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2012 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2013 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1985 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1882 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1951 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2036 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2275 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2125 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1950 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1185 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1978 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2013 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1172 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2094 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2029 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2201 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2162 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1994 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1220 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1266 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1904 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2047 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2017 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2048 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2040 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2178 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2055 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1873 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1977 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2114 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2103 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1773 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2203 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2071 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1863 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2005 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2015 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2050 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2084 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1921 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1974 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2077 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1191 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1983 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1934 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1986 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2257 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1984 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1925 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1966 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1174 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1876 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2014 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1801 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2059 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1797 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1950 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2003 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2027 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2042 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1872 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1994 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1989 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2052 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1959 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1982 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2301 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1145 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2143 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1782 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2027 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1899 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1870 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1141 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2185 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2095 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2207 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1990 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1283 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2056 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2105 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1204 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1879 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1851 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1921 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2005 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1967 Views

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