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Her part will probably be... Etzel Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM

All we see is Alviarin going to the Mistress's office again to get beaten. She's the second most punished person in the Tower after Egwene.

I wonder if she has a part to play in the series, or if she's broken like Galina and Liandrin are? Elaida hates her, and Mesaana wants to kill her - but SH does call her his creature, and did mark her.


To basically destroy the BA by revealing them, so that the members have to flee from the WT and the Rebels. After all, she is the only one who knows all BA. And as you said, she still got SH's orders to find the Black Ajah Hunters. So, one can expect that BA and Hunters will eventually clash and that this will most likely lead to a retreat of the BA from the other AS.
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