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Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM
I've only listened to it once, and I was hoping for something as to a clue about Mesaana. I didn't catch anything. The only thing I found out of place was the comment that Egwene notices Katerine and the other red were part of the people who captured her that night when she was on the boat. RJ put that there for some reason and I cannot figure out why. Any ideas?


She was one of those who beat Rand and she escaped the Aiel when her minders were poisoned. She was rather flagrantly advertising this in chapter 2 by wearing Red and Black.

Barasine by her response to Egwene's argument doesn't seem to be black.
When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known. When the fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.
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Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1566 Views
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Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1595 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1402 Views
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Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1580 Views
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Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1516 Views
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Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1608 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1440 Views
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Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 971 Views
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Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1462 Views
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Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1470 Views
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Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1404 Views
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I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1585 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1345 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1492 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1529 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1563 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1573 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1397 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1527 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1518 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1568 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1470 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1498 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1831 Views
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Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1427 Views
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Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 930 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1649 Views
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Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1706 Views
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Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1066 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1590 Views
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Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 985 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1413 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1385 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1627 Views
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LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1495 Views

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