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Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM

It's a theme I'm enjoying - RJ showing that evil isn't cool. The Forsaken are learning the harshest lesson. They're being beaten up by Moridin and Shadar Haran from their own side, and Rand from the other. I'll bet they wish they never turned :D


After all as Moghedien said, 29 Chosen were high enough at one point to channel the True Power, and I'm not sure she was ever one of them. I got the feeling from the Guide that the Shadow would have crushed the Light in the War of Power rather easily if it hadn't been for their fratricidal conflicts.


Yes, but they were never relegated to the positions of slaves. Even in the War of Power, they were like royalty in the Shadow - and could command lesser dreadlords and Shadowspawn without question to do their deeds.

Several books back Moridin started making them do rubbish tasks - starting with searching for the Choedan Kal access keys personally, though I'm not sure if any of them obeyed. Now they're bowing to Myrddraal, mindtrapped, and subservient to the abusive Nae'blis. If you're Moghedien or Mesaana, you've been raped too. The Shadow is suddenly less glamorous for them.
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But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1810 Views
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he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1702 Views
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Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1089 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1931 Views
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Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1953 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2031 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1883 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1946 Views
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She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1744 Views
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I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1960 Views
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I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2029 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1636 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1991 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1736 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1872 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1638 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1797 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1822 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1851 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1763 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2029 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1259 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1911 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2086 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1874 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1769 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1947 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1729 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1896 Views
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but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2107 Views
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I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1687 Views
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She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1015 Views
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So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1743 Views
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Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1836 Views
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Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1837 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1623 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1722 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1709 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1929 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1698 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1764 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1833 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1844 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1808 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1689 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1813 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1847 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1708 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1115 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1613 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1751 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1738 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1654 Views
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Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1813 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2062 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1898 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1732 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1061 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1752 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1774 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1050 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1866 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1789 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1966 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1925 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1759 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1098 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1137 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1680 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1812 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1791 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1811 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1817 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1946 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1845 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1649 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1761 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1892 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1884 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1546 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1985 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1831 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1640 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1780 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1772 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1827 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1852 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1687 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1746 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1848 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1070 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1756 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1708 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1749 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2027 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1769 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1717 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1733 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1052 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1655 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1762 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1578 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1833 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1582 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1736 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1770 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1811 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1816 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1640 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1769 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1764 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1814 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1727 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1747 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2094 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1018 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1911 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1552 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1789 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1677 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1635 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1026 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1927 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1871 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1975 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1775 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1163 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1835 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1878 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1089 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1663 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1617 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1875 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1778 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1746 Views

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