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No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM
Does anyone else think it is possible that a good part of Elaida's extreme behavior may stem from Padan Fain's Mordeth-suspicion rubbing off on Elaida?

Elaida was always a bit crazy, but her recent behavior reeks that she is not in her right mind. Just as Egwene noted, Egwene no longer needs to speed Elaida's descent as Amyrlin. Elaida is already doing that well enough herself.

How much of this be Fain's nature rubbing off on Elaida?

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Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 2165 Views
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Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2225 Views
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I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2114 Views
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Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2169 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2124 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2085 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2168 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2249 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2249 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2095 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1293 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2109 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1998 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2022 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2038 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2037 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1840 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2207 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1928 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2013 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2070 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2784 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2178 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2145 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2283 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1550 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2131 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2092 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1986 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1214 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2161 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1930 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1885 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2137 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2172 Views
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WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2111 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2196 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2258 Views
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Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2003 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1962 Views
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If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2119 Views
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I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2192 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1161 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2071 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2251 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1860 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2206 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1979 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2111 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1685 Views
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Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2052 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2073 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1980 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2255 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1385 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2147 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2313 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2110 Views
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Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2168 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1952 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2126 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2087 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2337 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2265 Views
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I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1913 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2074 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2019 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1135 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2215 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2148 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2068 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2126 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1215 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1967 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1936 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2065 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2066 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2115 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2138 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2057 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1867 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1961 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1931 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2171 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1927 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1989 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2072 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2079 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2044 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1929 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2049 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2091 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1942 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1230 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1850 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1973 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2014 Views
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Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1884 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1953 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2037 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2279 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2128 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1952 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1186 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1979 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2016 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1175 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2096 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2031 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 2038 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2203 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2165 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 1973 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1997 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1223 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1267 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1907 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 2129 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2050 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2020 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2049 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2043 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2179 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2057 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1876 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1978 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2117 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2105 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1775 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2206 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2073 Views
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egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2006 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2017 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2052 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2087 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1925 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1976 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2080 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1193 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1985 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1936 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1988 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2259 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1986 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1927 Views
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She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1175 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1879 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2016 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1804 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2061 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1801 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1952 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 2061 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2004 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2029 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2044 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1875 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1998 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1991 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2053 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1960 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1984 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2303 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1146 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2146 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1783 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2030 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1901 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1873 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1143 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2187 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2098 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2208 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1991 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1284 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2060 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2108 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1205 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1882 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1854 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1922 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2006 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1971 Views
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