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She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM

Not sure that's really Elaida's free-will making those decisions. In fact, she realizes they are blunders from the start. Not just the letter, but also publicly revealing the heads of the Ajahs.

She wasn't in any way enforced because when she found the way, she deposed Alviarin and then carried on letting the Tower get destroyed.
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I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1712 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1647 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 1680 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 1034 Views
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Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1761 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1767 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1788 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1701 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1642 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1611 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1833 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1736 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1644 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1612 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1682 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1638 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1623 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1712 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1770 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1770 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1632 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1068 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1624 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1528 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1552 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1563 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1567 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1368 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1641 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1463 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1521 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1602 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2312 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1713 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1648 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1802 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1317 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1685 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1610 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1507 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 990 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1684 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1447 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1593 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1659 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1715 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1787 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1639 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1694 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1778 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1438 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1531 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1491 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 1656 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1625 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1418 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1618 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1714 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 939 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1602 Views
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Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1389 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1751 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1488 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1627 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1385 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1549 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1578 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1609 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1515 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1789 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1165 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1669 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1843 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1635 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1525 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1698 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1482 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1644 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1603 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1835 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1797 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1679 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1441 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1591 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1544 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 911 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1724 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1661 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1594 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1660 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 998 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1505 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1449 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1578 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1579 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1644 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1663 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1592 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1376 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1476 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1466 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1674 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1452 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1514 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1582 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1606 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1558 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1437 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1562 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1599 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1454 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1013 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1355 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1503 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1533 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1526 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1471 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1412 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1486 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1557 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1815 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1650 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1487 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 967 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1506 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1512 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 951 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1619 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1544 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 1576 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1716 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1678 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 1489 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1515 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1000 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1043 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1430 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 1639 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1563 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1546 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1567 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1567 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1703 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1595 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1402 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1513 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1644 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1638 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1296 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1733 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1581 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1398 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1539 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1516 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1583 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1609 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1441 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1498 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1606 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 972 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1507 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1463 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1505 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1758 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1523 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1471 Views
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She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 954 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1406 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1517 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1327 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1586 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1347 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1493 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 1585 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1530 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1564 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1575 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1398 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1527 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1518 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1569 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1471 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1500 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1831 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 920 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1613 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1316 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1539 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1430 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1385 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 930 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1650 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1580 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1707 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1533 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1066 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1592 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1625 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 985 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1415 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1385 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1630 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1539 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1497 Views
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