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I had many of those same thoughts. Narg Send a noteboard - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM
Egwene loves the tower so much. She hates the division she sees inside the tower. She only wants it to be whole. She also is willing to lead an army to take the tower by force with Aes Sedai pitted against Aes Sedai.

She really can be hard to stomach.

A little learning is a dangerous thing.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* Sidious - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 8268 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2771 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1508 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 2602 Views
I adored it. *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 1364 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1406 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. Yvves - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 2261 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 2178 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... RandAllThor - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 2095 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2740 Views
Chapter summary Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2845 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* Iceman - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 1289 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1543 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 1344 Views
+1 Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 2284 Views
I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 2411 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 2325 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 2376 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 1352 Views
Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. Rurouni_Kenshin - 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM 2412 Views
Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 2171 Views
Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 2413 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2438 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2440 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 2408 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 2339 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 2293 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 2499 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 2414 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2313 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 2291 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2367 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2351 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2285 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2344 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2472 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2445 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2298 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1403 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2349 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 2215 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2230 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2222 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2223 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2045 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2434 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2122 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2186 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2287 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2981 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2372 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2358 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2465 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1672 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2302 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2270 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 2164 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1317 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2347 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 2117 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1986 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2349 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2355 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2441 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2307 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2409 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2435 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 2093 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2178 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2142 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 2303 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2298 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 2071 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2323 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2399 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1272 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2269 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2455 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 2038 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2420 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 2174 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2277 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1794 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2222 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2253 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2265 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 2190 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2452 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1499 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2327 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2487 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2293 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 2161 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2386 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 2182 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2344 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2261 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2536 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2470 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2312 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 2091 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2252 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2227 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1242 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2419 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2328 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2239 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2309 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1311 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 2139 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 2133 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2256 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2242 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2314 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2337 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2229 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 2062 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2168 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2169 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2359 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2101 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2179 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2252 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2283 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2230 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2125 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2260 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2259 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 2115 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1331 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 2046 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2146 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2201 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2203 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2201 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2097 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 2141 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2203 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2489 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2316 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2122 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1289 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2151 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2264 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1276 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2298 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2220 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 2224 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2379 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2357 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 2171 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2186 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1329 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1372 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2076 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 2331 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2232 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2200 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2220 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2216 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2361 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2239 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2071 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2188 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2299 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2299 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1962 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2403 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2265 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2072 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2208 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2213 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2267 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2270 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2099 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2168 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2256 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1295 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2186 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2126 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2208 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2436 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2164 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2164 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2149 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1268 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2068 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2215 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2004 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2238 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2008 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2142 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 2246 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2187 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2203 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2212 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2066 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2191 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2201 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2216 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2169 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2163 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2481 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1257 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2335 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1953 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2228 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2086 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2048 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1231 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2363 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2286 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2415 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2185 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1394 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2226 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2307 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1310 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2061 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2019 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2008 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2217 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2168 Views
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