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Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor Send a noteboard - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM
Quite aside from representing a power more than matching the White Tower, these guys shold relatively easily be able to infiltrate the good guys.


No chance of that. The time of infiltration is pretty much over. Between the Red Veils and Tarna, it's very obvious people who have been turned are very easy to identify. They have glassy inhuman eyes, and aren't themselves anymore. For the AS, the ones who have not been turned are BA - already exposed by Verin. "Turnings" aren't about fooling people with sleeper agents, it's about recruiting "soldiers" against their wil and depriving the enemy of them.

The Asha'man from Taim's faction who have not been turned but are DF are known by the other Asha'man to belong to Taim's faction - not a chance they can infiltrate the other side.


Ah, but in Chapter 2, the young man whose name escapes me said he couldn't tell if the Aes Sedai had been turned, because he didn't know her.

Though you might be right that the time for infiltration is over. Still, a surprise attack at the field of Merrilor by a few hundred evil Asha'man would certainly be an inconvenience.

But I agree with you this storyline seems to be heading, and very soon, for a "and so Taim's plans succeeded" resolution.


It seems like it. What bothers me is that if Taim has actually succeeded in turning most of the Black Tower, that alone seems like it could turn the tables in the last battle. Do we have any updated numbers on the number of people in the various factions? I can't remember if it was reported that the Black Tower had outgrown the White, or if it was just said that it would eventually do so. Though, of course, the White Tower has recently doubled in size, if you count all the novices, and some of those could probably pitch in in an emergency.

I get the impression that Androl's group is pretty small, and then there is the 50 or so men who left with Logain, with several hundred left inside. Or are there others currently outside the Tower?
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3005 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 797 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1030 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1306 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1298 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 943 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1197 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1479 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1243 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1293 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1289 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1300 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1266 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1143 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1283 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 713 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1359 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1050 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1410 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1083 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1202 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1156 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1206 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1202 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1215 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1201 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1116 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1130 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1080 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1150 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1128 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1055 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1195 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1164 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1225 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1223 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 998 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1311 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 996 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1087 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1157 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1023 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1031 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 1117 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1009 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1225 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1009 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1119 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1197 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1151 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 982 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1143 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 972 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1014 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 962 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1165 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1120 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1022 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1107 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1033 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1071 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1052 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1440 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1078 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1185 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1034 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1020 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1037 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1068 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 992 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1023 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1034 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1084 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1111 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1017 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 995 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 983 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 984 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1163 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 988 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1035 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1043 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1186 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 969 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1063 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 994 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 960 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1149 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 999 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1047 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 989 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 938 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1028 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1586 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1014 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1065 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1022 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1147 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1060 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 1002 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 1047 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1117 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1046 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1018 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1106 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1046 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1013 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1101 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1038 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1071 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1007 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1011 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1031 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 1071 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1167 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1149 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 713 Views
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