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But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM
With Cadsuane mid-to-high 30s, Eg/Avi/El at 40, Nynaeve at 65, etc. Androl, meanwhile, is probably around 4 or 5. I see him as similar to Morgase, only a little more powerful.

The problem with Nynaeve at 65 is that it makes zero sense. She's has about 6 women stronger than her in the entire series, and matches mid-level Foresaken strength. No way is she 65.

And given what we know about strength being a bell curve, there's no way exceptionally strong women like Moiraine are going to be below strength 50, which would be the average strength of all channelers.


She's strong for the Third Age, when average strength has declined a great deal. It makes no sense that she would be 50; Elayne, Egwene and Aviendha are all significantly stronger than she, yet Rand (at not even close to full potential, mind you, as of tSR) handled both Egwene and Elayne with little difficulty—and Egwene, at least, was close to her potential at that time because of the forcing she experienced at the hands of the Seanchan.

Similarly, it simply doesn't make sense that Moiraine is over half as strong as Rand. Just, no.


Shields are easy to put in place if the person is not holding the Source, and require a bit more power to continue shielding. In the aforementioned chapter of tSR, Egwene is not holding saidar. Elayne may possibly be, but she was not forced by the Seanchan, and therefore nowhere near her potential.


Than it does to maintain just one of a type of weave. If they were both really that strong, Rand should have to be using almost his full strength to hold their shields—except he's also weaving about four or five other things at the same time, while they are frantically and assumedly beating at those shields with all their strength...
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2895 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 742 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 999 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1237 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1173 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 874 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1146 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1385 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1193 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1237 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1234 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1252 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1147 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1088 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1173 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 654 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1285 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 966 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1315 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1031 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1120 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1089 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1140 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1107 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1151 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1101 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1016 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1025 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1015 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1070 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1071 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 994 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1102 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1085 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1108 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1153 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 839 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1190 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 954 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1043 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1057 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 965 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 975 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 981 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 933 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1151 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 931 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1056 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1147 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1040 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 914 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1039 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 915 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 967 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 911 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1062 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1058 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 940 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 998 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 961 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 990 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1002 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1339 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1020 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1093 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 968 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 969 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 967 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 976 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 942 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 954 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 985 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1005 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1024 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 961 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 947 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 937 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 933 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1075 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 931 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 974 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 939 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1083 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 920 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 965 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 945 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 867 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1077 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 927 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 991 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 941 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 889 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 975 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1508 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 935 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 985 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 971 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1053 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1012 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 905 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 961 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1010 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 987 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 952 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1026 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 922 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 951 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 985 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 986 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1023 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 953 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 958 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 983 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 989 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1119 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1075 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 650 Views
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