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No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM
The bell curve represents the power levels, not raw strength in the Power. There may be 20 levels, with level 10 in the middle. That doesn't mean that level 20 is twice as strong as level 10, it means its more common. Moiraine is obviously on the right side of a bell curve - few women have her strength. That doesn't mean that there aren't many potential magnitudes of strength above her. Lanfear is probably several standard deviations to the right of the curve and Morgase several to the left. Morgase has a strength of about 1 and is level 20, Sorilea is 5 on level 19 etc. The strength of each level is not proportional, but the incidence follows the bell curve.

Once again, you make the deeply ridiculous mistake of thinking that shielding and battle are the same thing. Rand's and Kiruna's thoughts are about shielding. Not about open battle.

Nope Rand makes two statements, one about shielding and one about matching women. He says he can handle three women at one point, though he will be in trouble if Moghedien is one of them. That alone should tell you that the Forsaken are magnitudes stronger because he suddenly feels like he won't have a chance against them.

Both Moriaine and Egwene's points take into account the superior knowledge of the Foresaken. They're considering how much strength they'd need so that they could simply overwhelm anything the Foresaken can throw at them. As we saw, Alivia with her powerful angreal could barely contain Cyndane.

That's your interpretation. Rand says no three women can match him - knowledge doesn't play a role.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3007 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 800 Views
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How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1412 Views
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Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1203 Views
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No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1208 Views
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Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1081 Views
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Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1313 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 998 Views
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You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1161 Views
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AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1036 Views
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Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1029 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1588 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1018 Views
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The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1150 Views
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How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1124 Views
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On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1167 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1153 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 714 Views

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