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Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor Send a noteboard - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM
Yeah, that's all wrong. For one thing, RJ said strength is distributed over a bell curve, not strength levels. You're plotting the wrong data points.

That said, obviously each level corresponds to a range on the strength scale (whatever it was in RJ's, we can take it to be 1-100 and it will still work the same). The 21 levels are distributed over this scale. We don't know if each level represents an equal interval in the strength scale, but assuming we do, we'd expect a peak around 10/11, which is where you find it. However, you also need to note that the sampling in that list is atrocious. We tend to see and hear more about stronger Aes Sedai and very little about women too weak to become AS. That definitely causes skewing. Plus, the list is very subjective, and tries to make quantitative differences between "strong" and "very strong" and such terms.

Oh, ok. I always assumed the levels were evenly distributed. Do you know if there exists a large collection of channeler strengths, enough to make a plot?

I guess making a comprehensive list would be like the mother of all those riddles where you get information like "The man in house number two drinks wine" and "The French officer is the neighbour of the man who has a dog".

RJ spoke of the same bell curve holding now. He said strength was distributed over a bell curve. That 67.5% of channelers in that curve would be strong enough to be Aes Sedai. That this is true only in the modern age, since in the AoL, anyone could become Aes Sedai. There's no doubt at all that its the same bell curve.


If RJ said it, why are we discussing it? Do you have a link to the quote?

But really, 67.5% of the channeling population strong enough to be Aes Sedai? Aren't they sending away a majority of the novices and accepted because they aren't strong enough? Or is it because the majority don't have "what it takes to be Aes Sedai"?
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2895 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 742 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 999 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1237 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1172 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 874 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1146 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1385 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1193 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1237 Views
Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1234 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1252 Views
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Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1088 Views
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Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 654 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1285 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 966 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1315 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1031 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1120 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1089 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1140 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1107 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1151 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1101 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1015 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1025 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1015 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1070 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1070 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 994 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1102 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1085 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1108 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1153 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 839 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1190 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 954 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1043 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1057 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 965 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 975 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 933 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1151 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 931 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1056 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1147 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 914 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1039 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 915 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 967 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 911 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1062 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1058 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 940 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 998 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 961 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 990 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1002 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1339 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1020 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1093 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 968 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 968 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 967 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 976 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 942 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 954 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 985 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1005 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1024 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 961 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 947 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 937 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 933 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1075 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 931 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 974 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 939 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1083 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 920 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 965 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 945 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 867 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1077 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 927 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 991 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 941 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 889 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 975 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1508 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 935 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 985 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 971 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1053 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1012 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1010 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 986 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 952 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1026 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 921 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 951 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 985 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 986 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1023 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 953 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 958 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 983 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1119 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1074 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 650 Views

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