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Perhaps darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM
I agree that Rand was obviously still growing throuout the series, that is clear, but the amount of growth is impossible to really define. I find it hard to believe that 4 Forsaken would be convinced of ganging up on him if he wasnt already in their strength class. There is the quote about "risking his strength" during this time and discussion around his strength among these four ... Even they seem surprised by how strong he already is and don't seem eager to face him due to it. They are clearly trying to figure out how dangerous he is in the early books since they aren't clear how much of LTT is still in him ... If he was significantly weaker than them during this time as well as significantly less skilled they would have gone after him much more directly, they would all assume he would eventually get stronger.

But you are correct about both Aginor and Asmodean face offs ... Although the Eye scene reads to me like Rand could manage power Aginor could not and during the fight with Asmodean there is the pre-CK duel which makes them seem pretty equal ... But I do concede that Asmodean was likely more concerned with getting to the CK than the fight itself.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1984 Views
My thoughts - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1389 Views
90 is REALLY high - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1357 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 1348 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 1242 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 1277 Views
No I don't think so - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 1137 Views
I'd say more than 80 - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 1080 Views
81 then - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 1005 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 1067 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 1148 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 1107 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 930 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 1160 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 1157 Views
I disagree. - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 1040 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 1094 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 1057 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 1138 Views
Just to be a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 965 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 1146 Views
*NM* - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 960 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 1105 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 1084 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 633 Views
that's what I just said *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 575 Views
that was not clear *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 671 Views
*shrug* - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 960 Views
Re: *shrug* - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 1056 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 1106 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 1023 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 989 Views
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About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 1215 Views
Perhaps - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 1030 Views
Re: Perhaps - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 1098 Views
Like I said ... Could be - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 1077 Views
I disagree... - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 1037 Views
Re: I disagree... - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 969 Views
I disagree again! - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 1027 Views
Probably - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 1075 Views
Re: Probably - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 1081 Views
Not really - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 1015 Views
Re: Not really - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 1043 Views
Re: Not really - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 1112 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 1097 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 1041 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 958 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 1112 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 1024 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 1097 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 1092 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 640 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 1091 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 1028 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 964 Views

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