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Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed TheCrownless Send a noteboard - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM
they don't like to share info and any Forsaken that did get to sense his full potential didn't live long enough to pass on the information. Most of what they thought about him must be based on speculation and fear that he might actually have LTT lurking in the background ready to administer a can of whoop-ass.


To kill off a few of the others. And Lanfear was hanging around him and was planting seeds with the others. They obviously weren't going to blindly trust her. Graendal has an extensive network, Mesaana was working with the BA from pretty early on etc ... Sure it's not all first hand intel, but they were paying attention from pretty much day one.


Just how effective is your average forsaken eyes and ears at judging a male channeler? You really need to be a male channeler to tell and they have notoriously short life spans, especially early in the series.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1875 Views
My thoughts Sidious - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1290 Views
90 is REALLY high DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1253 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 1241 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. DREWRULESWOT! - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 1142 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 1154 Views
No I don't think so Sidious - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 1028 Views
I'd say more than 80 darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 982 Views
81 then Sidious - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 898 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 971 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 999 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 991 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 817 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels Onarishma - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 1039 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 1040 Views
I disagree. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 936 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 983 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 936 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 1034 Views
Just to be a bitch Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 871 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 1024 Views
*NM* Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 858 Views
He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal. Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM 1075 Views
Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM 928 Views
I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM* Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM 554 Views
as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM 470 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 976 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 957 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 582 Views
that's what I just said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 517 Views
that was not clear *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 603 Views
*shrug* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 861 Views
Re: *shrug* Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 957 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 998 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 912 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 881 Views
Onarishma - 17/12/2012 11:22:55 PM 1182 Views
About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 1113 Views
Perhaps darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 931 Views
Re: Perhaps fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 992 Views
Like I said ... Could be darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 973 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 926 Views
Re: I disagree... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 856 Views
I disagree again! fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 935 Views
Probably darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 966 Views
Re: Probably fionwe1987 - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 982 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 903 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 918 Views
Re: Not really darius_sedai - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 1003 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 982 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 927 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 846 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 997 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 919 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 987 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 973 Views
I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 1104 Views
Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM 888 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 589 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: Dunstan - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 963 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor Watcher - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 916 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before darius_sedai - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 864 Views
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