And you're about to take my word for it, eh?
And this individual decision of Egwene's is indeed impressive, but the same chapter has her sticking to her ridiculous beliefs about the Oaths. Which make me want to strangle the woman... So you do the math.

With every one of the protagonists receiving flak for their actions, and with so many people pointing out their various stupidities? Nope.


So? The trial would have shown her in control and in power, and rubbing the mud in Siuan's face in front of all the AS would surely have appealed to Elaida's vindictive nature.

But also point out that she never gave a trial to Siuan, which Siuan was entitled to, and by bringing in mercenaries and with her shady tactics, violated the spirit of the law.


I don't know... I remember some guy talking about power obsession and vindictive streaks. Don't you agree with him?

If both are responsible, but the whole thing started with Elaida's coup, there's nothing wrong with Egwene blaming Elaida for it.


Did I say it was illegal? I said it was shady and bound to cause confusion and anger. Elaida herself anticipated that and brought in mercenaries.


But that's not what happened. What happened is more like some strange suspicious stranger claiming to be a policeman takes your brother away, and his badge does not look like any police badge you've seen. And, he's got some goons working for him who definitely do not belong to the police force. Wouldn't you resist?


I hold that aginst her because Galina was following Elaida's exact orders, and those orders are the ones that screwed up the AS's chances of allying with Rand.
More importantly, I'm saying that Moiraine's failures with Rand were not known to Elaida, so could not have been her motivation for removing Siuan.

Very well then. Since Siuan did not even try to contain Rand, she could not have failed to contain him, unlike Elaida.


Why? Egwene is accusing Elaida of mismanaging Rand, and Siuan did a better job of that. You were the one who said Egwene has no right to make any such claim.


Really? So, if I say Ishamael raped Lanfear repeatedly, and you said not, you are obviously saying that Ishy is the model of the perfect human being!


Aes Sedai cannot lie, remember? So when the say the Hall has summoned her, the Hall has summoned her. It is not an invention, and even Elaida agrees that an Accepted has no choice but to obey any AS, rebel or no.
As for having Rand help her with the AS... sure why not? Have an AS-Rand disagreement start over her. That's an option.

Thanks!


Not really. Egwene has repeatedly accepted guidance herself, and her belief that Rand needs guidance (which has gained intensity only recently), could well be because she believes he is listening to Cadsuane, who she has been told is a Black.
Only time will tell.


I still don't see how perception enters into Egwene apparently doing her crime in secret and Elaida doing hers publicly.



If Egwene took her bad luck as an excuse to enslave everyone, like Elaida is planning, you'd have a point. As such, all she did was demand oaths of those women who instead of giving her the obedience that is due to the position in which they put her, were working to undermine her.
Not unlike Rand keeping the AS who tried to capture him captive. He's not announcing a general intention to keep everyone captive, and the fact that they took the offensive justifies Rand keeping them imprisoned. There's nothing of Mordeth in this.

And Elaida knew this how?
Anyway, this whole point is ridiculous. Elaida's demand for a fourth oath has nothing to do with Alviarin. She stomped her down two books ago, and thinks she is completely cowed. She's asking for this oath now, because of the Rebels (who exist because of her coup) and her own Sitters who're negotiating with them. Neither of these groups are Darkfriends.


That is not hypocrisy! Elaida tried to contain Rand and failed, and Egwene is pointing out this failure. She never tried to contain him and is instead trying to keep the Tower too busy to interfere with him, a goal in which she has attained a modicum of success. She has every right to point out this failing of Elaida's.