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Can't offer much Terez Send a noteboard - 06/12/2015 12:33:29 AM

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This site has always been obsessed with power levels; it's amusing to see how many comments are on this post. I have never cared very much about power levels, and Dom said he never cared much either, but once we got our hands on the notes and saw all the detail on power rankings, making a list was just too tempting. So I guess the obsession rubbed off on me through Dom...

Glad you got pulled into this. While ultimately meaningless, I always found the OP strength thing a fun little debate to discuss. That said, maybe you can clarify some things we've been debating here:

1) We know a woman at level one more or less equals a man at level ++1, things like skill, etc. being equal. Does this carry on down the scale? Is there functional equivalency between levels 2 and ++2, 11 and 5, 66 and 60, and so on?

2) The female dexterity advantage: I believe there's no way RJ would have needlessly complicated things by making that advantage be on a scale, so that a stronger woman has a larger advantage than a weaker one. I think its a constant boost for all women. Did you see any hints that point to one or the other?

Thanks!


I don't recall seeing anything so specific about the Power in the notes. Keep in mind we had to figure out that there were 72 levels by inference; even that much is not spelled out anywhere in the notes that we saw. Whatever thoughts on this subject RJ might have had, it wasn't the kind of thing he felt he needed to remind himself about.

PS: You can always ask Dom these questions. He knows everything I know. If he can't answer it, I probably can't either.

This message last edited by Terez on 06/12/2015 at 12:34:10 AM
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