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Sort of. Terez Send a noteboard - 06/12/2015 10:30:36 PM

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This site has always been obsessed with power levels; it's amusing to see how many comments are on this post. I have never cared very much about power levels, and Dom said he never cared much either, but once we got our hands on the notes and saw all the detail on power rankings, making a list was just too tempting. So I guess the obsession rubbed off on me through Dom...

I didn't create this just to come up with the strength scale, I also wanted to look at how old some Aes Sedai were and their training times and nationality breakout etc ... Was a fun exercise to figure out who is Black Ajah and try and infer if strength level might play a role or if it was more heavily weighted toward specific nationalities etc ... Basically I wanted to look at as many data points as we have available cause I'm a nerd like that


I get it, and I did some of that on my half-assed spreadsheet. I wanted to do more but I had to do other stuff.

Some characters are more obsessed with strength than others. Considering the strengths RJ assigned to the Forsaken, it seems that they were kind of oddly not obsessed with strength. Most of the development of the Forsaken happened at a time when RJ hadn't really decided on their strengths, and I think it shows. (And not just in the BWB, where there was a half-assed effort to order the Forsaken by strength.)

The Aes Sedai hierarchy is based on strength, but then they have this weird custom where they're not supposed to talk about it, and RJ went so far as to have Eadyth say she felt the need to scrub her teeth after talking about it.

It was probably some time while RJ was writing books 5-7 that he felt the need to start making notes on Aes Sedai strengths. That would have been when he came up with the first system, with Elaida on top. Then somewhere between TPOD and COT he started using the new system. That's probably when he started trying to decide on Forsaken strengths.

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Sortable, searchable file of Channelers darius_sedai - 28/11/2015 10:01:57 PM 3172 Views
Outstanding job Sidious - 29/11/2015 04:15:17 PM 873 Views
Re: Outstanding job darius_sedai - 29/11/2015 06:53:40 PM 847 Views
Very impressive. Well done. Cannoli - 29/11/2015 04:41:52 PM 983 Views
Re: Very impressive. Well done. darius_sedai - 29/11/2015 06:54:02 PM 894 Views
Quick Question gban007 - 30/11/2015 05:11:17 AM 990 Views
Nope fionwe1987 - 30/11/2015 05:44:04 AM 997 Views
They do say it Sidious - 30/11/2015 10:32:48 AM 1177 Views
I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength darius_sedai - 30/11/2015 03:21:00 PM 837 Views
Re: I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength Sidious - 01/12/2015 08:02:01 AM 966 Views
Well, it also states that there are gradations within each level too darius_sedai - 01/12/2015 04:26:29 PM 1023 Views
Well maybe Sidious - 02/12/2015 06:31:05 AM 952 Views
Here's how I see it: fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 08:34:54 AM 1043 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 04:22:52 PM 985 Views
Re: I agree DomA - 02/12/2015 05:14:50 PM 1143 Views
It's always been confusing darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 06:00:01 PM 1092 Views
Re: It's always been confusing DomA - 02/12/2015 07:27:11 PM 1114 Views
I wholeheartedly agree darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 08:07:39 PM 914 Views
Re: Here's how I see it: DomA - 02/12/2015 04:46:54 PM 1152 Views
Morgase Sidious - 03/12/2015 04:37:47 AM 968 Views
I agree with you on this darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 03:22:22 PM 847 Views
Re: Morgase DomA - 03/12/2015 07:46:59 PM 1110 Views
I didn't realize he was being literal in that comment darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 09:29:52 PM 964 Views
Re: I didn't realize he was being literal in that comment DomA - 04/12/2015 08:41:51 PM 900 Views
I don't know about RJ's issues, but the White Tower's waste always seemed like a minor theme there Cannoli - 04/12/2015 09:05:08 PM 950 Views
Yes the Aes Sedai are all about "the glory of being Aes Sedai" kind of like religious cults darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 07:47:34 PM 896 Views
Too bad he also wrote in contingencies darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 07:45:26 PM 820 Views
Re: Well maybe darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 03:52:49 PM 1064 Views
Re: Well maybe Sidious - 02/12/2015 04:42:37 PM 1127 Views
Probably darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 06:11:42 PM 914 Views
Re: Probably DomA - 02/12/2015 07:38:50 PM 1053 Views
Indeed darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 08:21:07 PM 921 Views
Re: Indeed Sidious - 03/12/2015 04:08:03 AM 843 Views
close enough to not debate about it darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 03:47:55 PM 872 Views
Re: close enough to not debate about it fionwe1987 - 03/12/2015 04:14:38 PM 871 Views
I think you misunderstand what I'm saying darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 04:43:29 PM 905 Views
Re: I think you misunderstand what I'm saying fionwe1987 - 03/12/2015 05:41:17 PM 950 Views
um, no darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 09:24:31 PM 864 Views
You two seem like Egwene's interchangeable defenders to me; it's weird to see you fighting. Cannoli - 04/12/2015 09:21:23 PM 1064 Views
That's on you... fionwe1987 - 04/12/2015 09:46:51 PM 885 Views
We've been arguing on the forums for like 10 years darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 07:36:55 PM 837 Views
It's Cannoli, Darius fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:53:06 PM 867 Views
LOL *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 03:26:40 AM 552 Views
Some points Sidious - 05/12/2015 11:14:30 AM 910 Views
Re: close enough to not debate about it Sidious - 05/12/2015 11:29:44 AM 935 Views
Re: I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength gban007 - 03/12/2015 07:22:15 AM 838 Views
Great job fionwe1987 - 30/11/2015 05:45:27 AM 876 Views
Re: Great job darius_sedai - 30/11/2015 03:22:09 PM 853 Views
Made a few adjustments to add some presumed minimum/maximum levels *NM* darius_sedai - 30/11/2015 04:28:13 PM 601 Views
Some questions fionwe1987 - 30/11/2015 05:18:00 PM 884 Views
Re: Some questions darius_sedai - 30/11/2015 07:26:29 PM 848 Views
Re: Some questions Sidious - 01/12/2015 08:05:01 AM 1048 Views
That's why I added another column to it darius_sedai - 01/12/2015 04:25:04 PM 920 Views
Some more fionwe1987 - 01/12/2015 05:24:40 PM 933 Views
Re: Some more darius_sedai - 01/12/2015 07:34:20 PM 983 Views
Re: Some more fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 12:27:40 AM 979 Views
Re: Some more darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 02:26:53 AM 917 Views
Re: Some more fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 08:24:49 AM 920 Views
Re: Some more darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 05:54:49 PM 990 Views
Re: Some more Sidious - 03/12/2015 04:26:45 AM 825 Views
You said this much better than I did darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 03:53:57 PM 845 Views
I think the men are much too strong Sidious - 02/12/2015 09:01:56 AM 1039 Views
Yes fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 03:06:44 PM 894 Views
Re: Yes Sidious - 02/12/2015 04:45:20 PM 969 Views
Re: Yes darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 06:39:43 PM 1013 Views
Re: Yes Sidious - 03/12/2015 03:56:23 AM 842 Views
I think when characters quoted information from their world it gets muddled darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 04:19:43 PM 877 Views
Shielding Sidious - 05/12/2015 11:19:40 AM 844 Views
I feel like there is an RJ quote about this actually darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 06:41:35 PM 820 Views
Re: I feel like there is an RJ quote about this actually Sidious - 07/12/2015 12:39:54 PM 856 Views
seriously! darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 04:55:43 PM 876 Views
Who should defer to whom? darius_sedai - 01/12/2015 08:17:22 PM 1058 Views
Interesting... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 08:44:32 AM 996 Views
I think there needs to be a pretty significant (5+ levels) difference darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 06:25:35 PM 1048 Views
Good job Terez - 05/12/2015 08:43:09 PM 1227 Views
Some questions fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 12:28:46 AM 892 Views
Can't offer much Terez - 06/12/2015 12:33:29 AM 1082 Views
Cool. Hopefully Dom will see this... fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:58:39 PM 781 Views
Re: Some questions darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 08:06:56 PM 830 Views
Then there would be some mention of it, yes/ fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:56:10 PM 782 Views
Not at all ... He clearly had a general sense of how it worked darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 03:28:35 AM 798 Views
Re: Some questions DomA - 07/12/2015 04:19:43 PM 1055 Views
yet we also know that some things are inherently different for men and women darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 08:15:26 PM 761 Views
it probably has to do with the fact that the characters in the books are also obsessed with strength darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 07:58:20 PM 911 Views
Sort of. Terez - 06/12/2015 10:30:36 PM 1237 Views
Makes sense fionwe1987 - 07/12/2015 12:38:54 AM 802 Views
Clearly his strength rankings came in mid-series darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 07:39:59 PM 1017 Views
Re: Clearly his strength rankings came in mid-series Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:33:27 AM 850 Views
Probably something along those lines darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 03:44:48 PM 769 Views
Lifespan question (Spoiler) darius_sedai - 08/12/2015 05:42:41 PM 791 Views
Moiraine... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 02:28:50 AM 853 Views
That too is possible darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 03:02:12 PM 829 Views
Some random trends/data points darius_sedai - 08/12/2015 08:39:14 PM 815 Views
Who is the one Sharan? And I'm surprised so many Seanchan have listed strength levels. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 02:42:51 AM 575 Views
Re: Who is the one Sharan? And I'm surprised so many Seanchan have listed strength levels. darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:18 PM 875 Views
Not sure she can channel, though fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 03:22:17 PM 738 Views
Re: Not sure she can channel, though darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 04:54:37 PM 888 Views
duplicate post ignore *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:36 PM 490 Views
duplicate post ignore *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:55 PM 527 Views
so.... Sidious - 09/12/2015 06:10:41 AM 877 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 03:24:07 PM 845 Views
Yes Sidious - 09/12/2015 03:46:30 PM 820 Views
Some things to consider fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 04:18:50 PM 806 Views
Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:43:35 AM 782 Views
Re: Some things to consider fionwe1987 - 10/12/2015 06:28:49 AM 747 Views
Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 10/12/2015 11:53:51 AM 783 Views
Sorilea has always been shown as skilled darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 04:10:37 PM 816 Views
Re: Some things to consider fionwe1987 - 10/12/2015 04:46:29 PM 758 Views
Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:50:17 PM 781 Views
plenty of weaker ones with notably strong Talents actually darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 06:26:03 PM 875 Views
This is a flawed list Sidious - 11/12/2015 05:14:47 AM 779 Views
and you are just rationalizing to make your point seem plausible darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 03:10:12 PM 876 Views
another point about Talents (unrelated to the Strength question) darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 06:06:42 PM 969 Views
Not really Sidious - 11/12/2015 09:09:41 PM 816 Views
You are trying to force fit thin evidence into a sweeping statement darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 10:13:13 PM 852 Views
Re: You are trying to force fit thin evidence into a sweeping statement Sidious - 12/12/2015 06:46:05 AM 804 Views
Let's face it a body builder ninja is sort of funny to think about darius_sedai - 12/12/2015 02:55:37 PM 894 Views
Some quotes fionwe1987 - 12/12/2015 01:18:41 AM 790 Views
Re: Some things to consider fionwe1987 - 12/12/2015 03:18:30 AM 841 Views
Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 12/12/2015 06:19:15 AM 839 Views
Hey ... I have no interest in making you look stupid! darius_sedai - 12/12/2015 03:15:26 PM 797 Views
Re: Hey ... I have no interest in making you look stupid! Sidious - 13/12/2015 11:26:17 AM 810 Views
Yes, it's a sad thing to realize that this is pretty much the end of the road darius_sedai - 14/12/2015 04:40:50 PM 782 Views
Re: Yes, it's a sad thing to realize that this is pretty much the end of the road Sidious - 15/12/2015 06:01:58 AM 800 Views
I'm actually perplexed fionwe1987 - 15/12/2015 07:19:27 AM 732 Views
Re: I'm actually perplexed Sidious - 17/12/2015 11:36:59 AM 837 Views
LOL ... Amen! *NM* darius_sedai - 15/12/2015 03:54:55 PM 532 Views
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Yes and No darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 04:35:48 PM 784 Views
Re: Yes and No DomA - 09/12/2015 10:41:32 PM 856 Views
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Ajah Strength Index darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 10:45:29 PM 848 Views
Greens... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2015 12:24:11 AM 802 Views
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Re: Me too honestly fionwe1987 - 10/12/2015 04:59:42 AM 798 Views
Re: Me too honestly darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 04:18:00 PM 767 Views
Re: Ajah Strength Index Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:40:39 AM 831 Views
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Re: Aran'gar Sidious - 16/12/2015 06:54:28 AM 837 Views
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Re: Aran'gar fionwe1987 - 16/12/2015 06:50:27 PM 940 Views
Re: Aran'gar Sidious - 17/12/2015 10:07:48 AM 981 Views
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Rebels v. Loyalists! darius_sedai - 16/12/2015 10:29:28 PM 905 Views
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If you want to use the file you might want to grab it now before the site shuts down *NM* darius_sedai - 18/09/2016 06:45:48 PM 451 Views
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