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I'd guess from these circles that Flinn is considerably stronger than Eben was since they faced a stronger and seemingly more skilled opponent and came off better than Eben's circle.
I'd guess from these circles that Flinn is considerably stronger than Eben was since they faced a stronger and seemingly more skilled opponent and came off better than Eben's circle.
Well, the circle facing Aran'gar was surprised, and had Eben already injured before the fight even began. And Daigian was leading the circle while obviously distracted by the fact that her Warder was slowly dying. So I don't know if we can say anything conclusive here.
There's also the skill issue. Flinn way well be more skilled than Daigian., for all we know.
I would say it's safe to place Flinn, as a minimum, in the upper Aes Sedai strength ranges (maybe as high as 15-13). Eben was strong enough to Travel (TPoD), which according to the guide makes his minimum strength 19,
I see that Dom's statements also failed to have an effect on your continued insistence that a level 19 male is the same as a level 19 woman?
but it's doubtful he was much stronger than that since his circle had 4 and included the 2 strongest Aes Sedai aside from those occupied with "air cover" and if he was much stronger than 19 either Nesune or Beldeine would have been relegated to Verin's circle to balance out strength since Cadsuane was almost certainly unaware of Verin's angreal.
Forget that, even with their current strengths it makes little sense at all that Cadsuane didn't swap either Beldiene or Nesune for Sarene. That would have made both these circles better balanced. Unless, of course, the differences from level 15-18 are small enough that no one cared.
Also we know for certain that a level 14 woman + level 25 woman are still at least somewhat weaker than a ++1 man ... Elza tells us that Cadsuane was holding more saidar than she and Merise combined, but that amount had to have included an angreal (i.e. she knew this was more than Cadsuane's natural strength). The Companion tells us Cadsuane's shrike angreal was not very powerful, but stepped her up to the top male level of strength, thus considerably above any unaided woman.
This little tidbit pretty much guarantees that every circle listed above was more than a strength match to their Forsaken opponents, likely considerably more.
Yup, and it is the most quantitative statement we have on the Power. It puts the lie to the idea that Egwene was stronger than Amys and Melaine combined (which Aviendha made) or that Egwene+Lelaine+Romanda couldn't have matched Aran'gar (which Egwene made). Even Moiraine's statement that Egwene+Aviendha would just match a female Forsaken is suspect, but plausible if Aviendha was weaker than her eventual level 11.
These characters were all speaking from ignorance, inflating the strengths of Egwene, or the Forsaken.
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- 28/11/2015 10:01:57 PM
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Quick Question
- 30/11/2015 05:11:17 AM
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I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength
- 30/11/2015 03:21:00 PM
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Re: I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength
- 01/12/2015 08:02:01 AM
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Well, it also states that there are gradations within each level too
- 01/12/2015 04:26:29 PM
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Well maybe
- 02/12/2015 06:31:05 AM
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Here's how I see it:
- 02/12/2015 08:34:54 AM
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I agree
- 02/12/2015 04:22:52 PM
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Re: I agree
- 02/12/2015 05:14:50 PM
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It's always been confusing
- 02/12/2015 06:00:01 PM
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Re: Here's how I see it:
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Morgase
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Re: Morgase
- 03/12/2015 07:46:59 PM
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I didn't realize he was being literal in that comment
- 03/12/2015 09:29:52 PM
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Re: I didn't realize he was being literal in that comment
- 04/12/2015 08:41:51 PM
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I don't know about RJ's issues, but the White Tower's waste always seemed like a minor theme there
- 04/12/2015 09:05:08 PM
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Yes the Aes Sedai are all about "the glory of being Aes Sedai" kind of like religious cults
- 06/12/2015 07:47:34 PM
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Re: Well maybe
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Re: Well maybe
- 02/12/2015 04:42:37 PM
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Probably
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Re: Probably
- 02/12/2015 07:38:50 PM
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Indeed
- 02/12/2015 08:21:07 PM
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Re: Indeed
- 03/12/2015 04:08:03 AM
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close enough to not debate about it
- 03/12/2015 03:47:55 PM
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Re: close enough to not debate about it
- 03/12/2015 04:14:38 PM
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- 03/12/2015 04:14:38 PM
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I think you misunderstand what I'm saying
- 03/12/2015 04:43:29 PM
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Re: I think you misunderstand what I'm saying
- 03/12/2015 05:41:17 PM
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um, no
- 03/12/2015 09:24:31 PM
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You two seem like Egwene's interchangeable defenders to me; it's weird to see you fighting.
- 04/12/2015 09:21:23 PM
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We've been arguing on the forums for like 10 years
- 06/12/2015 07:36:55 PM
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Made a few adjustments to add some presumed minimum/maximum levels *NM*
- 30/11/2015 04:28:13 PM
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Some questions
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Re: Some questions
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Some more
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Re: Some more
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Re: Some more
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Re: Some more
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Re: Some more
- 02/12/2015 08:24:49 AM
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I think the men are much too strong
- 02/12/2015 09:01:56 AM
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Yes
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Re: Yes
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- 02/12/2015 06:39:43 PM
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- 03/12/2015 03:56:23 AM
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I think when characters quoted information from their world it gets muddled
- 03/12/2015 04:19:43 PM
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Shielding
- 05/12/2015 11:19:40 AM
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I feel like there is an RJ quote about this actually
- 06/12/2015 06:41:35 PM
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Who should defer to whom?
- 01/12/2015 08:17:22 PM
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Interesting...
- 02/12/2015 08:44:32 AM
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I think there needs to be a pretty significant (5+ levels) difference
- 02/12/2015 06:25:35 PM
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Good job
- 05/12/2015 08:43:09 PM
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Some questions
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Re: Some questions
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Re: Some questions
- 07/12/2015 04:19:43 PM
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yet we also know that some things are inherently different for men and women
- 07/12/2015 08:15:26 PM
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it probably has to do with the fact that the characters in the books are also obsessed with strength
- 06/12/2015 07:58:20 PM
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Sort of.
- 06/12/2015 10:30:36 PM
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Clearly his strength rankings came in mid-series
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Lifespan question (Spoiler)
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Some random trends/data points
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Who is the one Sharan? And I'm surprised so many Seanchan have listed strength levels. *NM*
- 09/12/2015 02:42:51 AM
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Re: Who is the one Sharan? And I'm surprised so many Seanchan have listed strength levels.
- 09/12/2015 02:31:18 PM
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so....
- 09/12/2015 06:10:41 AM
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Nope...
- 09/12/2015 03:24:07 PM
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Yes
- 09/12/2015 03:46:30 PM
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Some things to consider
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- 10/12/2015 05:50:17 PM
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plenty of weaker ones with notably strong Talents actually
- 10/12/2015 06:26:03 PM
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This is a flawed list
- 11/12/2015 05:14:47 AM
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and you are just rationalizing to make your point seem plausible
- 11/12/2015 03:10:12 PM
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another point about Talents (unrelated to the Strength question)
- 11/12/2015 06:06:42 PM
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Not really
- 11/12/2015 09:09:41 PM
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You are trying to force fit thin evidence into a sweeping statement
- 11/12/2015 10:13:13 PM
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Re: You are trying to force fit thin evidence into a sweeping statement
- 12/12/2015 06:46:05 AM
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Let's face it a body builder ninja is sort of funny to think about
- 12/12/2015 02:55:37 PM
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Re: Some things to consider
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- 12/12/2015 06:19:15 AM
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Hey ... I have no interest in making you look stupid!
- 12/12/2015 03:15:26 PM
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Re: Hey ... I have no interest in making you look stupid!
- 13/12/2015 11:26:17 AM
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Yes, it's a sad thing to realize that this is pretty much the end of the road
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Ajah Strength Index
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Greens...
- 10/12/2015 12:24:11 AM
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Me too honestly
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The Cleansing Circles ... some speculation here
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Aran'gar
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Re: Aran'gar
- 16/12/2015 06:54:28 AM
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additional thought
- 16/12/2015 06:49:04 PM
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If you want to use the file you might want to grab it now before the site shuts down *NM*
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