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Re: Wait! Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM

In the AoL, men and women linked together and as such, would have linked, likely with angreal and sa'angreal to create such a stream of balefire. From what the books imply, the amount of power used determines how large the beam of balefire will be.


Irrelevant. If a link of 72 could match the power offered by the CK, there would never have been a need to construct them, and the AS could have used a link to create the barrier they were intending to use the CK for.

CK was created at the end of the war, after the whole balefire thing. This means that when those cities were balefired, LESS power was used than CK at maximum.

It seems to me then, that if the power was directly connected to the width of the destruction area, to destroy a city of 100K people would have required a truly humongous amount of power. More than the AoLers had available.

I mean when Rand, the most powerfull channeler, using an angreal creates the most powerfull balefirestream he can, its about the thickness of a man. A meter or so maybe? How big is a city of 100K. Many kilometers certainly. If the only way to increase the thickness of the bar is extra strength. and the most powerfull channeler, with an angreal could only create a bar meter thick, imagine the sheer immense power required to do one several kilometers thick to wipe out a city in a single blow.

So it seems likely to me that there is a way to create a balefire bar that destroyes things in a large area, but only burns things back a short time. Essentially, this strongly implies that a skilled channeler can alter the form of the balefire. It can be a spear directed at a single target with most of the strength in it going to burn the target backwards as much as possible. Or it can be a sort of weapon of mass destruction, where the strength is added to the area effected, while lessening the time the threads burn backwards.

Given that, the most likely explanation to me was that Rand, using LTT knowledge did just that. He used the CK to create a beam wide enough to erase the whole of the palace at a single blow, but still kept the total strength level low to miminize the damage to the pattern.

I should also say that if the pattern could survive the instant annihilation of hundred thousand people at a single instant, how bad could the deaths of 300 people truly be? Adds more credence to the idea that Rand, with LTT's memories knows far better how much the pattern can take than Cadsuane or any other AS.

Seems clear to me, though I do admit that I am pretty tired and going to bed now. Hopefully this will still make sense to me in the morning.

Goodnight all!
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1705 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1112 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1107 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1133 Views
On the nature of BaleFire - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 1033 Views
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Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1048 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 852 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1004 Views
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 912 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 968 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 904 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 964 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 872 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 994 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1003 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 944 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1032 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 839 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 982 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 477 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 911 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 924 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 876 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 493 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 847 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 487 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 867 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 835 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 982 Views
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let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 923 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 919 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 963 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 871 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 987 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 819 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 925 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 887 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 911 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 922 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 858 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 941 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 879 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 812 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 980 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 927 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 928 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 877 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 911 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 821 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 839 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1005 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 842 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 843 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 931 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 898 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 909 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 971 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 836 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 860 Views
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Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 857 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1001 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 959 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 903 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 933 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 839 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 967 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 905 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 920 Views
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 920 Views
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Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1225 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 817 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 869 Views

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