Not irrelevant at all. If I recall, some things aren't just all about out and out brute strength with the OP. It takes the two halves of the OP working together to accomplish the greatest feats. That's why there were two CK and an access key for each. And the CK weren't simply made for creating balefire, but for resealing the DO's prison, only that effort fell apart when the CK were lost into Shadow territory during the war.
Yes. But the point is that the CK were being built, because not even mixed links of 72, composed of both men and women, would have been sufficient to do what had to be done. That suggests to me atleast that the CK are far more powerfull than the maximum circles available to the AoLers.
The point I am making is that the before they understood the danger, the AoLers were able to take out cities with 100K people in, and I quote "one go". To me that suggests an instant annihilation.
We know that Rand, the most powerfull channeler, using an angreal in rage, using all his strength, created a bar as thick as 1 meter.
The city/town I live in is relatively small. Only 70K people. And yet it is 37 km width. Now thats not exact since cities are not perfect squares but go with me. Lets take 7 km away just for that and we get 30km.
If there is no way to modify the width of the balefire, how the heck would a circle of 72, which is the absolute maximum, create a bar of 30km width! The power required would be utterly silly. Not to mention that if strength and width were connected, the balefire stream there would have had to burn all those 100K people back days or even weeks. Which would probably have instantly destroyed the pattern.
I think there is a way to choose how balefire works, and that when that city was wiped out, the balefire was made in such a way that it was incredibly large, but incredibly weak. So each citizen of that city was burned back by lets say half a second only. And the strength all went into the area of effect.
Now that would still be devastating ofcourse. Even though the people were barely burned, it was still a hundred thousand people taken out of the pattern in a single go as RJ said. Nasty stuff.
The bottom line is, I think it is perfectly reasonable of me to think that when Rand balefired Graendals palace, he did this. He used a small amount of what CK could offer to extend the balefire streams width, so that he would take out the entire palace in "one go". But he kept the total strength as low as possible to minimise the damage since he did not want to unmake existence just yet. In doing so he got Graendal (probably) but did not cause immense damage. Some yes, but not anywhere close enough to bring the pattern anywhere near to total destruction which is what Min and Nynaeve seemed to think.
Rand the psycho?
- 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM
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I cannot follow your assumptions.
- 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM
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- 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM
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Wait!
- 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM
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- 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM
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- 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM
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- 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
- 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM
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- 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM
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- 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM
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- 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM
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- 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM
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- 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM
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Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread.
- 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM
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Rand crossed a line
- 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently?
- 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM
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No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM*
- 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM
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But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes.
- 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM
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No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM*
- 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM
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LOL ... super-death!
- 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM
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Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM
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- 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM
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Re: Yes it was.
- 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM
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- 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM
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let me ask the question in a different way
- 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM
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- 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM
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actually that quote supports my thoughts
- 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM
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- 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM
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yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
- 07/01/2010 12:34:34 AM
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- 07/01/2010 01:13:40 AM
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Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take.
- 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM
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Sigh. What mass murder?
- 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM
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In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
- 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM
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- 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM
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- 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM
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Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS!
- 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM
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OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol:
- 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again
- 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM
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Meh
- 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM
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The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
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I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good...
- 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM
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- 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM
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I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
- 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM
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- 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions
- 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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- 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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Nice way to avoid the argument.
- 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM
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I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people
- 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM
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I concede
- 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM
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You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning.
- 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM
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Morals are subjective anyhow,
- 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention
- 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM
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You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants
- 07/01/2010 03:40:03 PM
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Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do.
- 08/01/2010 11:39:11 PM
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Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive, Operation Chaos Rules
- 09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM
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Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ...
- 07/01/2010 07:08:53 PM
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