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Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM
It's sort of like when a child molester says things like "she seduced me" of a 6 year old. It's just a coping mechanism for the evil, despicable act they have committed.


No it's not. Its nothing even remotely similar. Your comparison totally sucks. There is probably a latin word to describe how badly it sucks but I won't even bother to wiki it. Thats how much it sucks.

The argument I made and the debate I hoped to generate is whether or not it was an atrocity at all.

Given that Graendal was the only one truly alive there (unless he had visitors which was dealt with in another message, read it there). And unless Rand caused humongous amount of damage to the pattern (I don't think he did but its still being discussed). Then there was no atrocity here.

Not unless you also call it an atrocity when Rand killed Rahvin. Or Semirhage. Or when he led an attack to Illian and killed Sammael. Or any of the many many things he has done to prepare for last battle all over the series.

Remember, I am talking _ONLY_ about this particular act here. Not Rand in general in this book and his overall actions. I do not deny that overall, he was indeed a psycho. But I never even tried to debate or argue that.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1616 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1019 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1014 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1043 Views
On the nature of BaleFire - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 946 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM 853 Views
Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 972 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM 889 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM 856 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM 805 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM 808 Views
I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 768 Views
Re: I disagree - 06/01/2010 06:41:08 PM 794 Views
Re: I disagree - 07/01/2010 04:42:40 AM 775 Views
I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 930 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 837 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 901 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 788 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 881 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 813 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 853 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 798 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 909 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 923 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 837 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 948 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 763 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 868 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 426 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 828 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 848 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 798 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 459 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 776 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 428 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 785 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 758 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 895 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 813 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 853 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 845 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 833 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 829 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 847 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 806 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 863 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 750 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 841 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 820 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 827 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 841 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 785 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 855 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 785 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 729 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 907 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 842 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 823 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 775 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 830 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 742 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 762 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 919 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 761 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 769 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 845 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 791 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 823 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 900 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 769 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 774 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 836 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 778 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 922 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 877 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 828 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 862 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 756 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 866 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 817 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 847 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 771 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 852 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1011 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1137 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 739 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 782 Views

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