Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
		Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM
		
	It's sort of like when a child molester says things like "she seduced me" of a 6 year old.  It's just a coping mechanism for the evil, despicable act they have committed.
No it's not. Its nothing even remotely similar. Your comparison totally sucks. There is probably a latin word to describe how badly it sucks but I won't even bother to wiki it. Thats how much it sucks.
The argument I made and the debate I hoped to generate is whether or not it was an atrocity at all.
Given that Graendal was the only one truly alive there (unless he had visitors which was dealt with in another message, read it there). And unless Rand caused humongous amount of damage to the pattern (I don't think he did but its still being discussed). Then there was no atrocity here.
Not unless you also call it an atrocity when Rand killed Rahvin. Or Semirhage. Or when he led an attack to Illian and killed Sammael. Or any of the many many things he has done to prepare for last battle all over the series.
Remember, I am talking _ONLY_ about this particular act here. Not Rand in general in this book and his overall actions. I do not deny that overall, he was indeed a psycho. But I never even tried to debate or argue that.
			Rand the psycho?
	    
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			I cannot follow your assumptions.
	    
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			Re: I cannot follow your assumptions.
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM
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			Wait!
	    
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	         - 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM
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			I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM
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			Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM
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	         - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM
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	         - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM
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	         - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM
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			Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM
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			Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread.
	    
	         - 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM
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			Rand crossed a line
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM
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			Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently?
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM
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			No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM*
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM
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			But not in this turning of the Wheel.  So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes.
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM
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			No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM*
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM
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			LOL ... super-death!
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM
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			Yes it was.
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM
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			Re: Yes it was.
	    
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			Re: Yes it was.
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM
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			Re: Yes it was.
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM
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			let me ask the question in a different way
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM
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			Re: let me ask the question in a different way
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM
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			actually that quote supports my thoughts
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM
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			Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM
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			yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 12:34:34 AM
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			Re: yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 01:13:40 AM
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			Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM
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			Sigh. What mass murder?
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM
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			In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM
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			Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
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			Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM
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			Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM
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			Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM
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			Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM
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			Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM
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			Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS!
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM
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			Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM
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			OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol:
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM
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			Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM
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			Meh
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM
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			The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
	    
	         - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM
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	         - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM
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			I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good...
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM
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			Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM
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			I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM
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			Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM
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			Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM
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			Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM
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			right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions  - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
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			Nice way to avoid the argument.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM
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			I'm just done talking in circles.  You seem to think that because people
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM
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			I concede
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM
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			You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning.
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM
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			Morals are subjective anyhow,
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM
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			Re: Morals are subjective anyhow,
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM
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			I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention
	    
	         - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM
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			You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 03:40:03 PM
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			Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do.
	    
	         - 08/01/2010 11:39:11 PM
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			Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive,  Operation Chaos Rules
	    
	         - 09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM
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			Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ...
	    
	         - 07/01/2010 07:08:53 PM
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