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Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM
The messenger was an obvious trail, so it was worth it to remove him. Kerb was not. Do you seriously believe Rand would go about Delving every single person in Bandar Eban in the hopes of stumbling upon someone Compelled?
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 3033 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1771 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1589 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1681 Views
You also ignored... randfandom - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1641 Views
and of course, the obvious theme Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1498 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1634 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS Etzel - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1571 Views
I think playing too many games just messes up with the integrety and solidness of the books ... amirebram - 26/01/2010 09:46:16 PM 3049 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1794 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1602 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Underwood - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1557 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1340 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? beetnemesis - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1398 Views
that's kind of my whole point darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1320 Views
Uh, not actually at all really Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1638 Views
*shudders* Yondaime - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1478 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1522 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1430 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1483 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1377 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1511 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1507 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? Rurouni_Kenshin - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1424 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1527 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1296 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1490 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1313 Views
Moiraine probably learned it while researching with Adealas and Vandene. *NM* Gher - 26/01/2010 04:57:09 PM 967 Views
Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:42:04 AM 1468 Views
Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1500 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1371 Views
Re: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1480 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1501 Views
Me, Too. The Name With No Man - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1466 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Sidious - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1579 Views
I believe she's dead Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1413 Views
Re: I believe she's dead Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1471 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1324 Views
Besides, if it wasn't Graendal, it implies that she knew of Rand's plan, which is not feasible *NM* Shannow - 26/01/2010 02:01:41 PM 772 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1569 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! Underwood - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1325 Views
Stop passing judgments... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1535 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1405 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1383 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1414 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1297 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1418 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1490 Views
Re: Not really Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1398 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1378 Views
*NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 731 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1459 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1340 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1501 Views
read the whole quote darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 1132 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1286 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1332 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1458 Views
I don't see any flaws. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1552 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1283 Views
Re: But... Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1447 Views
That is what I thought ... Yondaime - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1331 Views
That still doesn't make sense. fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1542 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1542 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1378 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! Yondaime - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1339 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1258 Views
Dude, read what I said please... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1463 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1432 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1292 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot Yondaime - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1346 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 1206 Views
We don't know that, exactly Yondaime - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1260 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1338 Views
Seriously? Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1389 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1305 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 884 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 843 Views
Ok, in more detail: Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1456 Views
I'm tired of making this point... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 1204 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... Syraelle - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1370 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1290 Views
But that means she's dead Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1370 Views
Re: But that means she's dead Heiko - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1452 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 1249 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. Syraelle - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1318 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1560 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1518 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1369 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1360 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Underwood - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1324 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 1125 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1399 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1477 Views
That's not fair Yondaime - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1329 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1274 Views
Does anybody have a link to it? (nothing on Google). I'm intrigued. *NM* Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 08:27:13 AM 780 Views
It was on Wotmania. Someone copied all the theories, but I don't recall whom. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 08:31:00 AM 910 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1285 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1401 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1501 Views
Re: So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:05:21 AM 1480 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 853 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1443 Views
Not even comparable. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 1203 Views
Re: Not even comparable. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1341 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1296 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1348 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1341 Views
And, just to double post: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 1101 Views
Re: And, just to double post: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1422 Views
Nice answer. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1397 Views
Re: Nice answer. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1343 Views
Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1474 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1343 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1377 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 1231 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1401 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1343 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. Etzel - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1378 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1462 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... Etzel - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1420 Views
I disagree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1756 Views
I will stop our discussion here; the posts are already pushed too far to the right of my display. *NM* Etzel - 29/01/2010 06:14:29 PM 698 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1329 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1353 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1391 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1342 Views
I don't see a flaw rAndy aL - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1436 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw Underwood - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1403 Views
Yup, I'm tired of seeing arguments that ignore the need to back up their own claims. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:47:16 PM 1376 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. TheUltimateReality - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1388 Views
Spot on. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 849 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans DomA - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1360 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 818 Views
Compulsion is limited Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1327 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1488 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited DomA - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 1263 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. taura-tierno - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1360 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. Libby - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1440 Views
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