Active Users:490 Time:02/05/2025 05:55:32 PM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
Re: Not really fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM

But I've addressed those points in other threads, and I continue to agree with Fanatic Templar and Etzel that it does make sense. What holes?

Huh? Where have you addressed why Millisair was being poisoned? Give me one reason that makes sense.
And you do think she's alive. May I not discuss with you why I think you're wrong?

I think she may be alive. And you can certainly discuss that, but accusing me of wanting her to be alive and letting that bias my viewing of the text is hardly a discussion.

For the record, I don't want her alive. I would much rather that she be dead, especially with only two books to go. That doesn't mean I think the whole sequence was well written.
Reply to message
Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2757 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1488 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1287 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1388 Views
You also ignored... randfandom - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1399 Views
and of course, the obvious theme Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1210 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1354 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS Etzel - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1319 Views
I think playing too many games just messes up with the integrety and solidness of the books ... amirebram - 26/01/2010 09:46:16 PM 2781 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1557 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1347 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Underwood - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1283 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1105 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? beetnemesis - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1108 Views
that's kind of my whole point darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1032 Views
Uh, not actually at all really Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1338 Views
*shudders* Yondaime - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1206 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1238 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1146 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1222 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1063 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1229 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1244 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? Rurouni_Kenshin - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1184 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1299 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1052 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1254 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1032 Views
Moiraine probably learned it while researching with Adealas and Vandene. *NM* Gher - 26/01/2010 04:57:09 PM 852 Views
Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:42:04 AM 1235 Views
Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1224 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1099 Views
Re: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1210 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1207 Views
Me, Too. The Name With No Man - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1204 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Sidious - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1321 Views
I believe she's dead Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1155 Views
Re: I believe she's dead Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1201 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1024 Views
Besides, if it wasn't Graendal, it implies that she knew of Rand's plan, which is not feasible *NM* Shannow - 26/01/2010 02:01:41 PM 639 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1329 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! Underwood - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1079 Views
Stop passing judgments... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1263 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1140 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1116 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1144 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1049 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1159 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1229 Views
Re: Not really Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1145 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1110 Views
*NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 607 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1166 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1080 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1206 Views
read the whole quote darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 902 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1013 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1093 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1233 Views
I don't see any flaws. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1267 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1021 Views
Re: But... Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1160 Views
That is what I thought ... Yondaime - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1077 Views
That still doesn't make sense. fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1253 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1289 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1139 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! Yondaime - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1071 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1005 Views
Dude, read what I said please... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1192 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1175 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1060 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot Yondaime - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1113 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 934 Views
We don't know that, exactly Yondaime - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1002 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1080 Views
Seriously? Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1107 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1068 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 756 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 696 Views
Ok, in more detail: Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1181 Views
I'm tired of making this point... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 928 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... Syraelle - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1107 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1023 Views
But that means she's dead Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1064 Views
Re: But that means she's dead Heiko - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1160 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 997 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. Syraelle - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1071 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1237 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1245 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1068 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1087 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Underwood - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1082 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 893 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1099 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1209 Views
That's not fair Yondaime - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1048 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1025 Views
Does anybody have a link to it? (nothing on Google). I'm intrigued. *NM* Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 08:27:13 AM 650 Views
It was on Wotmania. Someone copied all the theories, but I don't recall whom. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 08:31:00 AM 783 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1019 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1130 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1199 Views
Re: So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:05:21 AM 1220 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 722 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1198 Views
Not even comparable. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 957 Views
Re: Not even comparable. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1066 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1022 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1071 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1054 Views
And, just to double post: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 839 Views
Re: And, just to double post: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1118 Views
Nice answer. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1166 Views
Re: Nice answer. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1095 Views
Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1205 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1092 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1106 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 955 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1141 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1091 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. Etzel - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1124 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1166 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... Etzel - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1135 Views
I disagree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1517 Views
I will stop our discussion here; the posts are already pushed too far to the right of my display. *NM* Etzel - 29/01/2010 06:14:29 PM 584 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1054 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1074 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1125 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1099 Views
I don't see a flaw rAndy aL - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1182 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw Underwood - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1131 Views
Yup, I'm tired of seeing arguments that ignore the need to back up their own claims. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:47:16 PM 1098 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. TheUltimateReality - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1123 Views
Spot on. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 715 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans DomA - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1101 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 695 Views
Compulsion is limited Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1082 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1214 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited DomA - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 990 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. taura-tierno - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1086 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. Libby - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1167 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes