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No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM
All of his 'knowledge' of Rand's death are based on rumors. Because the general public knows much better than people who are directly involved with the incident, who happen to be his close friends to boot. It always seemed to me that RJ made Gawyn behave this way for some plot-related reason that escapes me.


Gawyn's PoV in The First Message clearly shows that Gawyn realises that there is only a rumour, and he only says that he would kill Rand if Morgase and Elayne were dead.

Later, in Like Lightning and Rain, he promises to allow Egwene to prove Rand innocent and to forestall judgment until then. Never mind that Egwene is an idiot and could have told him she was there when Rand learned of Morgase's death and decided to invade Andor to avenge her (News Comes to Cairhien).

And in Dumai's Wells he makes good that promise.

Not that I know which 'people who are directly involved in the incident and happen to be his close friends to boot' have told him otherwise.

But you know who does believe Morgase is dead based on a rumour? Everyone else. Rand invades Andor on the basis that he heard from Mat who heard from one of his men who heard from the enemy who have heard rumours that Morgase hasn't been seen in weeks. (News Comes to Cairhien).

Elayne also believes it because Nynaeve and Birgitte learned from Moghedien that Rand was attacking Rahvin to avenge Morgase's death based on the evidence I've described above. This evidence is apparently strong enough that the very idea that Whitecloaks and/or Darkfriends may be using her for political gain is considered impossible by her.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2810 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1577 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1499 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1353 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1436 Views
I agree he was much better than before - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1307 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1525 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1435 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1429 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1358 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1363 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1438 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1329 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1326 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1296 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 922 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1580 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1258 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1354 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1491 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1213 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1479 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1432 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1373 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1609 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1481 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1426 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1362 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1401 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1959 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1373 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1386 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1282 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1383 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1192 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1085 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1301 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1410 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 819 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 870 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1379 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1252 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1375 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1381 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1275 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1289 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1274 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1278 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1253 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1198 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1364 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1209 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1332 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1334 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1272 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1316 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1348 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1360 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1270 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1236 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1306 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1263 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1271 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1209 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1262 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1288 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1414 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1310 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1239 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1362 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1350 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1276 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1350 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1253 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1362 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1198 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1184 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1438 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1441 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1247 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1254 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1240 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1302 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1294 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1283 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1282 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1340 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1279 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1213 Views
Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1244 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2589 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1360 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1328 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1251 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1122 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1286 Views
Nope - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1339 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1474 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1410 Views
but whoever wins - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1351 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1393 Views
I actually think Lan would win - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1319 Views
Agreed - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1302 Views
I think Lan, hands down. - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1182 Views
THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9822 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1286 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1472 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1166 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1357 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 824 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 778 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1352 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1328 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1389 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1328 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1324 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1297 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1310 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 814 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1301 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1348 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1315 Views

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