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Re: Yes, really Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM

As it was established in the book, creating something requires a weave. Creating something more requires more weaves.

You provided the wrong quote. There is a paragraph after the one you've provided where Myrddraal attacks Rand and Rand weaves 100 Arrows at once.


While I sorta agree with you that what Rand did was very impressive, I must disagree with you here.

The text strongly suggests that what Rand does, is create a single weave on his hands and this single weave (composed of two flows, earth and fire) then creates all the arrow-filaments that Rand uses.

Essentially, rather than creating separate weaves for each arrow, Rand creates a single weave which then spews out a continuous stream of filaments. An analogy to this could be what Nynaeve did to Rahvin. She summoned fire and filled the whole hallway where Rahvin was with it, but I doubt she created a separate weave for each distinct flame.

Though if you think of it, this actually makes what Rand did far better than otherwise. I mean having to create a separate weave for each filament would be horribly inefficient. If this were truly the case, Rand would have been better off creating a blossom of fire (which only requires 1 more flow) since that causes destruction on a wide area, rather than just a single arrow-filament.

Instead, Rand creates a single weave composed of just 2 flows. And this single weave is capable of shooting lots and lots of filaments with Rand just having to maintain this weave. I think this is a demonstration of a truly master-level channeling, doing something so strong with something so little. If you compare that to standard AS tactic of just throwing fireballs (which Egwene does btw), the AS look just plain silly in comparison.

With just 2 flows and a single extraordinarily intricate weave, Rand creates what is essentially an OP-machinegun. If Egwene could have created this, she could probably have killed all of the Raken and prevented Seanchan from gaining Traveling. But then Egwene is just a politician and an average channeler. I suppose you cannot blame her for not having the skill that the experts have.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2948 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1684 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1625 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1481 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1594 Views
I agree he was much better than before - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1431 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1655 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1552 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1542 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1495 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1493 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1590 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1484 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1468 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1425 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 985 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1694 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1390 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1481 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1637 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1336 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1596 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1554 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1512 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1751 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1605 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1571 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1491 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1550 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2111 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1485 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1499 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1412 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1523 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1306 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1211 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1423 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1534 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 898 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 928 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1497 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1362 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1516 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1512 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1390 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1478 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1386 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1436 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1394 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1318 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1491 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1353 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1436 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1490 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1379 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1446 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1474 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1463 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1431 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1365 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1444 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1381 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1402 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1331 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1407 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1423 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1541 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1430 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1374 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1507 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1470 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1437 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1503 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1426 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1459 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1339 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1308 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1569 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1565 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1408 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1398 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1367 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1416 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1410 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1400 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1407 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1484 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1413 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1350 Views
Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1377 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2750 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1503 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1426 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1382 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1259 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1422 Views
Nope - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1489 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1624 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1554 Views
but whoever wins - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1477 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1539 Views
I actually think Lan would win - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1468 Views
Agreed - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1420 Views
I think Lan, hands down. - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1295 Views
THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9965 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1396 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1594 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1286 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1490 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 886 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 841 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1487 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1471 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1526 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1456 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1440 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1414 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1414 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 866 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1414 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1467 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1427 Views

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