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Re: Yes, really Datakim Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM

I don't think so. As such stated in the book, Arrows were flowing from each Rand's finger, as soon as they leave the fingers, the other ones are formed. It's basically the same as throwing fireballs, one weave at the time. Only in smaller scale and much faster.


But if this is the case, then why would he use them in the first place.

It says that the AoF weave is composed of two flows, Fire and Earth.


Immediately Lews Therin wove Fire and Earth in intricate combination, and red filaments flashed from Rand's fingertips, ten from each.


However Blossoms of fire are composed of three flows. Earth, Air and Fire.


Earth, Air and Fire went into a weave Rand did not know, six of them at once. Except that as soon as he saw the spinning, he did know. Blossom of Fire.


Now consider it.

If each arrow of fire was a single weave, then to shoot just 100 filaments, would have required 100 weaves, or 200 flows.

However with the same amount of flows, Rand could instead have created 66 blossoms of fire. Which do you think produces more damage to an incoming trolloc army, 100 filaments which each could kill 1-2 trollocs. Or 66 blossoms which each one producing huge explosions that take out trollocs at "hundred paces".

The only thing that makes sense to me is that the AoF thing is a single weave. If not, LTT is a complete idiot for wasting such huge amounts of flows to produce single filaments when with only a tiny more effort he could have produced blossoms and taken out tens if not hundreds of times the trollocs.

Add to this the fact that in the scene, the weave is referred to as a singular.

Immediately Lews Therin wove Fire and Earth in intricate combination


But the description is multiple


and red filaments flashed from Rand's fingertips,


And it seems obvious enough to me that a single complex weave can be used to shoot lots of filaments. One weave composed of fire and earth to produce lots of filamentS.
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Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1773 Views
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Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1672 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1578 Views
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Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1688 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1654 Views
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I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1635 Views
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Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1574 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1595 Views
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Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1605 Views
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she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1300 Views
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she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1625 Views
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Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 972 Views
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*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1488 Views
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Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1408 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1584 Views
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Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1541 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1580 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1480 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1540 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1575 Views
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Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1468 Views
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Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1505 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1516 Views
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so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1462 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1615 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1556 Views
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the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1595 Views
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from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1551 Views
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... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1658 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1657 Views
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Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1500 Views
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Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1517 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1520 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1489 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1490 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1581 Views
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*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1623 Views
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Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1581 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 921 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 886 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1586 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1555 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1614 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1557 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1530 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1510 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1502 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 913 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1515 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1562 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1510 Views

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