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Re: Yes, really Datakim Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM

I don't think so. As such stated in the book, Arrows were flowing from each Rand's finger, as soon as they leave the fingers, the other ones are formed. It's basically the same as throwing fireballs, one weave at the time. Only in smaller scale and much faster.


But if this is the case, then why would he use them in the first place.

It says that the AoF weave is composed of two flows, Fire and Earth.


Immediately Lews Therin wove Fire and Earth in intricate combination, and red filaments flashed from Rand's fingertips, ten from each.


However Blossoms of fire are composed of three flows. Earth, Air and Fire.


Earth, Air and Fire went into a weave Rand did not know, six of them at once. Except that as soon as he saw the spinning, he did know. Blossom of Fire.


Now consider it.

If each arrow of fire was a single weave, then to shoot just 100 filaments, would have required 100 weaves, or 200 flows.

However with the same amount of flows, Rand could instead have created 66 blossoms of fire. Which do you think produces more damage to an incoming trolloc army, 100 filaments which each could kill 1-2 trollocs. Or 66 blossoms which each one producing huge explosions that take out trollocs at "hundred paces".

The only thing that makes sense to me is that the AoF thing is a single weave. If not, LTT is a complete idiot for wasting such huge amounts of flows to produce single filaments when with only a tiny more effort he could have produced blossoms and taken out tens if not hundreds of times the trollocs.

Add to this the fact that in the scene, the weave is referred to as a singular.

Immediately Lews Therin wove Fire and Earth in intricate combination


But the description is multiple


and red filaments flashed from Rand's fingertips,


And it seems obvious enough to me that a single complex weave can be used to shoot lots of filaments. One weave composed of fire and earth to produce lots of filamentS.
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Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1684 Views
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Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1492 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1589 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1483 Views
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Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1595 Views
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I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1550 Views
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Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1522 Views
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she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1211 Views
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Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1318 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1491 Views
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Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1436 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1490 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1379 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1445 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1474 Views
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Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1381 Views
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the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1503 Views
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from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1458 Views
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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1308 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1569 Views
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Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1397 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1367 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1415 Views
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she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1399 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1407 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1483 Views
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Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 886 Views
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According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1487 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1470 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1526 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1455 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1440 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1413 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1414 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 866 Views
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These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1467 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1426 Views

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