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Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM
She would never have shown him her real hideout. The "palace" clearly isn't Natrin's Barrow, but that does NOT indicate that she wasn't at Natrin's Barrow in any way. The other palace was just a ruse to fool Sammael (and perhaps Ituralde as well).

Plus your point about Compulsion actually verifies Graendal's presence - who else could weave such complex Compulsion on Ramshalan? It may not have been subtle but it was clearly complex enough to shock Nynaeve.

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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 2042 Views
I brought all this up before.. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 924 Views
Glad it's been brought up before darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 872 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . Palatine - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 899 Views
I don't see problems Skeeve the Great - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 932 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 897 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 786 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 896 Views
I don't think so. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 856 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 754 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 789 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 821 Views
He used scouts to find the place? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 759 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 801 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 821 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 801 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? JasonD - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 732 Views
More... Kieran - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 841 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* everynametaken - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 366 Views
seems like pretty big differences darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 772 Views
Not really. everynametaken - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 761 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 775 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 938 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 867 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 835 Views
Any number of things are possible darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 785 Views
You don't get it. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 785 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 889 Views
There aren't, really. DomA - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 736 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 852 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name Voscaia Sedai - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 850 Views
There are infinite possibilities darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 851 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 810 Views
*sigh back* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 875 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. Fanatic-Templar - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 805 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* Libby - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 415 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 805 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 793 Views
This from you? HA! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 807 Views
Look, Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 890 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 784 Views
The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long... Libby - 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM 838 Views
I'm glad... Jeordam - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 828 Views
I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM* darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM 371 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 882 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 750 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1019 Views
The quote is in my original post! darius_sedai - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 756 Views
Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM 399 Views
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