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Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM
She would never have shown him her real hideout. The "palace" clearly isn't Natrin's Barrow, but that does NOT indicate that she wasn't at Natrin's Barrow in any way. The other palace was just a ruse to fool Sammael (and perhaps Ituralde as well).

Plus your point about Compulsion actually verifies Graendal's presence - who else could weave such complex Compulsion on Ramshalan? It may not have been subtle but it was clearly complex enough to shock Nynaeve.

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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 1947 Views
I brought all this up before.. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 843 Views
Glad it's been brought up before darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 781 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . Palatine - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 817 Views
I don't see problems Skeeve the Great - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 850 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 801 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 711 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 809 Views
I don't think so. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 768 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 664 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 706 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 721 Views
He used scouts to find the place? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 684 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 708 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 731 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 721 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? JasonD - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 642 Views
More... Kieran - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 760 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* everynametaken - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 325 Views
seems like pretty big differences darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 687 Views
Not really. everynametaken - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 669 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 689 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 866 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 779 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 746 Views
Any number of things are possible darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 694 Views
You don't get it. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 688 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 797 Views
There aren't, really. DomA - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 647 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 759 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name Voscaia Sedai - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 754 Views
There are infinite possibilities darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 757 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 720 Views
*sigh back* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 753 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. Fanatic-Templar - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 716 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* Libby - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 372 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 719 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 712 Views
This from you? HA! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 719 Views
Look, Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 795 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 690 Views
The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long... Libby - 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM 747 Views
I'm glad... Jeordam - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 739 Views
I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM* darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM 338 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 787 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 654 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 928 Views
The quote is in my original post! darius_sedai - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 670 Views
Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM 346 Views
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