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Ishamael's nature Sidious Send a noteboard - 01/03/2010 05:27:48 PM

TGS (A Place to Begin) - "Is that what made you turn to his side?" Rand asked. "You were always so full of thoughts, Elan. Your logic destroyed you, didn't it?"

Was anyone struck by this statement?

I've always thought this was what snared Ishamael, and to see it written in plain text was striking to me. Ishamael is so intelligent and thinks everything through so deeply, that he arrives at conclusions that seem illogical. It's like someone who becomes hysterical when presented with 1+1, insisting that it's 2 instantly, whereas a brilliant mathematician has alternate theories.

In this same way, we all automatically know that the DO is evil, but Elan got caught up in complex philosophy. He's still caught up in it.

It's an interesting statement, and personifies Ishamael for me.
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Ishamael's nature Sidious - 01/03/2010 05:27:48 PM 1769 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature Watcher - 01/03/2010 07:15:54 PM 792 Views
Sisyphus *NM* damookster - 02/03/2010 02:27:06 AM 264 Views
Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... Shannow - 01/03/2010 07:23:37 PM 806 Views
I'd go with this - he lost sight of the forest for enumerating the trees. Cannoli - 01/03/2010 08:21:39 PM 872 Views
I agree, except with your statement on what Ishamael's area of expertise is ... Shishka - 02/03/2010 03:17:13 PM 638 Views
Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:38:06 PM 660 Views
Are you saying that philosophers are inherently more intelligent than other academics? Shannow - 02/03/2010 04:53:13 PM 558 Views
Maybe Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:00:20 PM 621 Views
Crap File Leader - 02/03/2010 08:58:12 PM 615 Views
That high IQ should make you realise that I am making the same point you are... Shannow - 02/03/2010 09:53:59 PM 573 Views
I think the averages are averages. Kieran - 03/03/2010 01:14:41 AM 540 Views
Re: Crap RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/03/2010 08:46:56 PM 514 Views
Re: Crap mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:36:16 PM 484 Views
I love IQ tests. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:18:10 AM 484 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Shishka - 02/03/2010 05:30:43 PM 574 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:01:41 PM 578 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:31:14 PM 521 Views
I'm not an expert on nihilism, but ... Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:22:33 PM 676 Views
I doubt that. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:21:32 AM 495 Views
Re: I doubt that. car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:41:43 PM 482 Views
Yep, I agree. Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:58:03 PM 573 Views
This ties in with his parallel to Lucifer. Kieran - 03/03/2010 12:57:37 AM 562 Views
Re: Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... BlackAdder - 02/03/2010 07:22:58 PM 542 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 01:49:19 AM 614 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:51:44 PM 554 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:31:32 PM 535 Views
Both of us are saying the same thing car'a'aman - 03/03/2010 01:46:57 PM 500 Views
sorry, took "evil" too literally and newyorkersedai - 03/03/2010 07:02:01 PM 482 Views
Found a great theory about Ishamael and his logic on theoryland car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:48:02 PM 885 Views
Nice Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:41:05 PM 549 Views
Impressive newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:24:09 PM 543 Views
I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM 543 Views
Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM 488 Views
Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 486 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 471 Views
Because there is a Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 09/03/2010 05:57:16 PM 466 Views
faulty assumptions car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 05:05:23 AM 470 Views
Impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 06:22:43 AM 466 Views
maybe an analogy will help car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 12:55:37 PM 884 Views
But therein lies the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 04:58:42 PM 464 Views
your own argument is self defeating car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:10:36 AM 493 Views
No, that past was created after he was imprisoned. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:43:08 PM 494 Views
*sigh* I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.... I still think your theory is flawed *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:11:10 AM 224 Views
Anyway I just realized this point is irrelevant to the original theory car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:14:20 AM 471 Views
Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 218 Views
Your reasons and mine for irrelevancy are different.. *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:12:52 AM 207 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2010 10:43:16 PM 551 Views
I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 617 Views
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