That would imply the Creator created Shai'tan's past, which means that he created and controlled Shai'tan.
I never said he created the past (as in the events themselves). I merely said he created time with an infinite past. He created the necessary time for the events to happen.
Think of it this way.
The Universe is a huge school wall on which a mural is about to be painted. The children about to paint them represent the souls or people who live out their lives (including other entities with free will). The painting they make is history. Assume they are making a painting of a story so that it is to be read from left to right. In this case moving along the wall represents moving through time, the left side representing the past, the right future.
Now, the Creator is the guy who builds the wall (in that the Creator makes time and space). If you stretch my analogy you have to assume he "makes the children" as well , but that's beside the point. Now the guy who builds the wall, builds it in both directions (assume the wall is infinitely long in both directions) and leaves space for the children to fill it in.
Similarly when the Creator makes time, he creates it so that their is an infinite past, in which he leaves the "children, i.e. souls etc. to fill it in. That does not mean he controls them.
If you are wondering where the DO fits into this, think of him as a really strong superhuman child who bullies everyone else, but still has to do the painting. Because he too is trapped within time (he has to paint the picture, i.e. make stuff happen through time). The wall builder does not control the bully child.
Think of it another way if its easier to understand. The wheel is turning through all the ages right? If there was a moment of creation that began the turning of the wheel, then what would have happened? Presumably, the cosmos would have formed, the first humans would have come up and started to build etc. Now when the wheel completes turning one full revolution (7 ages) then it has to come back to this point. So what? does the world get recreated every 7 ages?????
But regardless of this way of analysing it, my earlier logic still stands.
So to recap,
The Creator, can create time. He creates time so that there is an infinite past. In that infinite past events (such as the DO trying to escape) happen independent of the creator. The creator doesn't make them happen, or "write" their history or "control" events, he merely provides the necessary time for them to happen (maybe in an infinite past).Remember he is OUTSIDE of time. For him, there is no concept of time, hence no "moment" of creation.
Write drunk, revise sober.*MySmiley*
This message last edited by car'a'aman on 10/03/2010 at 01:03:58 PM
Ishamael's nature
01/03/2010 05:27:48 PM
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Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking...
01/03/2010 07:23:37 PM
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I'd go with this - he lost sight of the forest for enumerating the trees.
01/03/2010 08:21:39 PM
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I agree, except with your statement on what Ishamael's area of expertise is ...
02/03/2010 03:17:13 PM
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Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil
02/03/2010 04:38:06 PM
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Are you saying that philosophers are inherently more intelligent than other academics?
02/03/2010 04:53:13 PM
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Crap
02/03/2010 08:58:12 PM
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That high IQ should make you realise that I am making the same point you are...
02/03/2010 09:53:59 PM
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Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil
02/03/2010 05:30:43 PM
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Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil
02/03/2010 06:01:41 PM
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Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil
07/03/2010 11:31:14 PM
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I doubt that.
08/03/2010 01:21:32 AM
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Re: Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking...
02/03/2010 07:22:58 PM
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Re: Ishamael's nature
02/03/2010 01:49:19 AM
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Re: Ishamael's nature
02/03/2010 02:51:44 PM
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Re: Ishamael's nature
02/03/2010 07:31:32 PM
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Found a great theory about Ishamael and his logic on theoryland
02/03/2010 02:48:02 PM
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I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least...
08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM
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Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least...
08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM
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Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern.
08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM
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Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern.
09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM
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Because there is a Creator.
09/03/2010 05:57:16 PM
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faulty assumptions
10/03/2010 05:05:23 AM
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Impossible.
10/03/2010 06:22:43 AM
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maybe an analogy will help
10/03/2010 12:55:37 PM
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But therein lies the problem.
10/03/2010 04:58:42 PM
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your own argument is self defeating
11/03/2010 08:10:36 AM
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No, that past was created after he was imprisoned.
11/03/2010 05:43:08 PM
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*sigh* I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.... I still think your theory is flawed *NM*
12/03/2010 05:11:10 AM
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Anyway I just realized this point is irrelevant to the original theory
11/03/2010 08:14:20 AM
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