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Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM
Supposing infinite turnings, when the world was created, it had to extend infinitely in both directions, so that it would have neither beginning nor end. That means that on the very first day of Shai'tan's imprisonment, the Wheel had already turned infinite cycles.

However, that does not give Shai'tan an infinite past of trying to escape the Pattern, because he is outside it.
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I love IQ tests. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:18:10 AM 707 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Shishka - 02/03/2010 05:30:43 PM 844 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:01:41 PM 854 Views
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I'm not an expert on nihilism, but ... Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:22:33 PM 905 Views
I doubt that. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:21:32 AM 734 Views
Re: I doubt that. car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:41:43 PM 719 Views
Yep, I agree. Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:58:03 PM 831 Views
This ties in with his parallel to Lucifer. Kieran - 03/03/2010 12:57:37 AM 845 Views
Re: Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... BlackAdder - 02/03/2010 07:22:58 PM 789 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 01:49:19 AM 867 Views
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Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:31:32 PM 770 Views
Both of us are saying the same thing car'a'aman - 03/03/2010 01:46:57 PM 761 Views
sorry, took "evil" too literally and newyorkersedai - 03/03/2010 07:02:01 PM 741 Views
Found a great theory about Ishamael and his logic on theoryland car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:48:02 PM 1281 Views
Nice Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:41:05 PM 789 Views
Impressive newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:24:09 PM 772 Views
I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM 790 Views
Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM 728 Views
Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 813 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 774 Views
Because there is a Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 09/03/2010 05:57:16 PM 704 Views
faulty assumptions car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 05:05:23 AM 718 Views
Impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 06:22:43 AM 722 Views
maybe an analogy will help car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 12:55:37 PM 1127 Views
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your own argument is self defeating car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:10:36 AM 744 Views
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*sigh* I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.... I still think your theory is flawed *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:11:10 AM 349 Views
Anyway I just realized this point is irrelevant to the original theory car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:14:20 AM 725 Views
Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 336 Views
Your reasons and mine for irrelevancy are different.. *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:12:52 AM 321 Views
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I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 940 Views
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