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Maybe Sidious Send a noteboard - 02/03/2010 06:00:20 PM
If so, I disagree with you. If you have them all write IQ tests I'm pretty sure that the quantum physicists, theoretical mathematicians etc will trump the philosophers and theologians.


IQ tests are notoriously unreliable measures of human intelligence. Still, I understand what you are saying. There are many types of intelligence. Mathematicians could work out equations that philosphers could never dream of doing.

However, I do think Ishamael is the most intelligent man in the series. He could see things no one else could, which is ultimately why he was caught up in a web of complex thoughts and was killed by a relatively uneducated farmer.

Ishamael's theories on the Dragon and other aspects of the Wheel of Time are often referred to by the other Forsaken. The only other Forsaken who is referred to for academic reasons by other Forsaken is Graendal - who is also renowned for her almost unique intelligence. It's remarkable that RJ said that Lews Therin's IQ was close to 200, and yet LTT thinks that he could never outfox Graendal.

The Forsaken's inability to comprehend what Ishamael was saying has been as close as we've ever seen to Forsaken admitting fallability. Despite his failures he's remained the DO's top servant, which signifies to me that he really does understand that DO and the Creator better than any other person alive.
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Ishamael's nature Sidious - 01/03/2010 05:27:48 PM 1928 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature Watcher - 01/03/2010 07:15:54 PM 945 Views
Sisyphus *NM* damookster - 02/03/2010 02:27:06 AM 339 Views
Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... Shannow - 01/03/2010 07:23:37 PM 970 Views
I'd go with this - he lost sight of the forest for enumerating the trees. Cannoli - 01/03/2010 08:21:39 PM 1042 Views
I agree, except with your statement on what Ishamael's area of expertise is ... Shishka - 02/03/2010 03:17:13 PM 785 Views
Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:38:06 PM 821 Views
Are you saying that philosophers are inherently more intelligent than other academics? Shannow - 02/03/2010 04:53:13 PM 713 Views
Maybe Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:00:20 PM 788 Views
Crap File Leader - 02/03/2010 08:58:12 PM 753 Views
That high IQ should make you realise that I am making the same point you are... Shannow - 02/03/2010 09:53:59 PM 742 Views
I think the averages are averages. Kieran - 03/03/2010 01:14:41 AM 684 Views
Re: Crap RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/03/2010 08:46:56 PM 694 Views
Re: Crap mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:36:16 PM 656 Views
I love IQ tests. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:18:10 AM 637 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Shishka - 02/03/2010 05:30:43 PM 759 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:01:41 PM 743 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:31:14 PM 673 Views
I'm not an expert on nihilism, but ... Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:22:33 PM 828 Views
I doubt that. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:21:32 AM 650 Views
Re: I doubt that. car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:41:43 PM 632 Views
Yep, I agree. Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:58:03 PM 735 Views
This ties in with his parallel to Lucifer. Kieran - 03/03/2010 12:57:37 AM 735 Views
Re: Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... BlackAdder - 02/03/2010 07:22:58 PM 708 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 01:49:19 AM 765 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:51:44 PM 730 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:31:32 PM 683 Views
Both of us are saying the same thing car'a'aman - 03/03/2010 01:46:57 PM 669 Views
sorry, took "evil" too literally and newyorkersedai - 03/03/2010 07:02:01 PM 631 Views
Found a great theory about Ishamael and his logic on theoryland car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:48:02 PM 1183 Views
Nice Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:41:05 PM 703 Views
Impressive newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:24:09 PM 690 Views
I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM 687 Views
Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM 643 Views
Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 701 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 694 Views
Because there is a Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 09/03/2010 05:57:16 PM 628 Views
faulty assumptions car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 05:05:23 AM 629 Views
Impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 06:22:43 AM 637 Views
maybe an analogy will help car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 12:55:37 PM 1042 Views
But therein lies the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 04:58:42 PM 607 Views
your own argument is self defeating car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:10:36 AM 649 Views
No, that past was created after he was imprisoned. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:43:08 PM 662 Views
*sigh* I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.... I still think your theory is flawed *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:11:10 AM 295 Views
Anyway I just realized this point is irrelevant to the original theory car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:14:20 AM 631 Views
Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 295 Views
Your reasons and mine for irrelevancy are different.. *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:12:52 AM 279 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2010 10:43:16 PM 710 Views
I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 850 Views
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