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Ishamael's nature Sidious Send a noteboard - 01/03/2010 05:27:48 PM

TGS (A Place to Begin) - "Is that what made you turn to his side?" Rand asked. "You were always so full of thoughts, Elan. Your logic destroyed you, didn't it?"

Was anyone struck by this statement?

I've always thought this was what snared Ishamael, and to see it written in plain text was striking to me. Ishamael is so intelligent and thinks everything through so deeply, that he arrives at conclusions that seem illogical. It's like someone who becomes hysterical when presented with 1+1, insisting that it's 2 instantly, whereas a brilliant mathematician has alternate theories.

In this same way, we all automatically know that the DO is evil, but Elan got caught up in complex philosophy. He's still caught up in it.

It's an interesting statement, and personifies Ishamael for me.
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Ishamael's nature Sidious - 01/03/2010 05:27:48 PM 1908 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature Watcher - 01/03/2010 07:15:54 PM 922 Views
Sisyphus *NM* damookster - 02/03/2010 02:27:06 AM 327 Views
Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... Shannow - 01/03/2010 07:23:37 PM 950 Views
I'd go with this - he lost sight of the forest for enumerating the trees. Cannoli - 01/03/2010 08:21:39 PM 1022 Views
I agree, except with your statement on what Ishamael's area of expertise is ... Shishka - 02/03/2010 03:17:13 PM 763 Views
Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:38:06 PM 801 Views
Are you saying that philosophers are inherently more intelligent than other academics? Shannow - 02/03/2010 04:53:13 PM 691 Views
Maybe Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:00:20 PM 767 Views
Crap File Leader - 02/03/2010 08:58:12 PM 734 Views
That high IQ should make you realise that I am making the same point you are... Shannow - 02/03/2010 09:53:59 PM 717 Views
I think the averages are averages. Kieran - 03/03/2010 01:14:41 AM 668 Views
Re: Crap RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/03/2010 08:46:56 PM 656 Views
Re: Crap mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:36:16 PM 639 Views
I love IQ tests. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:18:10 AM 612 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Shishka - 02/03/2010 05:30:43 PM 738 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:01:41 PM 725 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:31:14 PM 654 Views
I'm not an expert on nihilism, but ... Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:22:33 PM 804 Views
I doubt that. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:21:32 AM 633 Views
Re: I doubt that. car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:41:43 PM 612 Views
Yep, I agree. Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:58:03 PM 716 Views
This ties in with his parallel to Lucifer. Kieran - 03/03/2010 12:57:37 AM 712 Views
Re: Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... BlackAdder - 02/03/2010 07:22:58 PM 683 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 01:49:19 AM 741 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:51:44 PM 710 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:31:32 PM 660 Views
Both of us are saying the same thing car'a'aman - 03/03/2010 01:46:57 PM 648 Views
sorry, took "evil" too literally and newyorkersedai - 03/03/2010 07:02:01 PM 610 Views
Found a great theory about Ishamael and his logic on theoryland car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:48:02 PM 1169 Views
Nice Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:41:05 PM 677 Views
Impressive newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:24:09 PM 673 Views
I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM 669 Views
Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM 624 Views
Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 679 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 678 Views
Because there is a Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 09/03/2010 05:57:16 PM 605 Views
faulty assumptions car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 05:05:23 AM 613 Views
Impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 06:22:43 AM 619 Views
maybe an analogy will help car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 12:55:37 PM 1024 Views
But therein lies the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 04:58:42 PM 588 Views
your own argument is self defeating car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:10:36 AM 630 Views
No, that past was created after he was imprisoned. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:43:08 PM 642 Views
*sigh* I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.... I still think your theory is flawed *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:11:10 AM 282 Views
Anyway I just realized this point is irrelevant to the original theory car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:14:20 AM 595 Views
Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 282 Views
Your reasons and mine for irrelevancy are different.. *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:12:52 AM 270 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2010 10:43:16 PM 697 Views
I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 830 Views
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