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Ishamael's nature Sidious Send a noteboard - 01/03/2010 05:27:48 PM

TGS (A Place to Begin) - "Is that what made you turn to his side?" Rand asked. "You were always so full of thoughts, Elan. Your logic destroyed you, didn't it?"

Was anyone struck by this statement?

I've always thought this was what snared Ishamael, and to see it written in plain text was striking to me. Ishamael is so intelligent and thinks everything through so deeply, that he arrives at conclusions that seem illogical. It's like someone who becomes hysterical when presented with 1+1, insisting that it's 2 instantly, whereas a brilliant mathematician has alternate theories.

In this same way, we all automatically know that the DO is evil, but Elan got caught up in complex philosophy. He's still caught up in it.

It's an interesting statement, and personifies Ishamael for me.
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Ishamael's nature Sidious - 01/03/2010 05:27:48 PM 1928 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature Watcher - 01/03/2010 07:15:54 PM 945 Views
Sisyphus *NM* damookster - 02/03/2010 02:27:06 AM 338 Views
Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... Shannow - 01/03/2010 07:23:37 PM 970 Views
I'd go with this - he lost sight of the forest for enumerating the trees. Cannoli - 01/03/2010 08:21:39 PM 1042 Views
I agree, except with your statement on what Ishamael's area of expertise is ... Shishka - 02/03/2010 03:17:13 PM 784 Views
Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:38:06 PM 821 Views
Are you saying that philosophers are inherently more intelligent than other academics? Shannow - 02/03/2010 04:53:13 PM 713 Views
Maybe Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:00:20 PM 787 Views
Crap File Leader - 02/03/2010 08:58:12 PM 753 Views
That high IQ should make you realise that I am making the same point you are... Shannow - 02/03/2010 09:53:59 PM 741 Views
I think the averages are averages. Kieran - 03/03/2010 01:14:41 AM 683 Views
Re: Crap RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/03/2010 08:46:56 PM 694 Views
Re: Crap mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:36:16 PM 655 Views
I love IQ tests. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:18:10 AM 636 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Shishka - 02/03/2010 05:30:43 PM 759 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:01:41 PM 743 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:31:14 PM 673 Views
I'm not an expert on nihilism, but ... Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:22:33 PM 827 Views
I doubt that. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:21:32 AM 649 Views
Re: I doubt that. car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:41:43 PM 631 Views
Yep, I agree. Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:58:03 PM 734 Views
This ties in with his parallel to Lucifer. Kieran - 03/03/2010 12:57:37 AM 734 Views
Re: Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... BlackAdder - 02/03/2010 07:22:58 PM 707 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 01:49:19 AM 764 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:51:44 PM 729 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:31:32 PM 682 Views
Both of us are saying the same thing car'a'aman - 03/03/2010 01:46:57 PM 668 Views
sorry, took "evil" too literally and newyorkersedai - 03/03/2010 07:02:01 PM 630 Views
Found a great theory about Ishamael and his logic on theoryland car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:48:02 PM 1182 Views
Nice Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:41:05 PM 703 Views
Impressive newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:24:09 PM 690 Views
I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM 687 Views
Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM 642 Views
Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 701 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 693 Views
Because there is a Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 09/03/2010 05:57:16 PM 627 Views
faulty assumptions car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 05:05:23 AM 629 Views
Impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 06:22:43 AM 637 Views
maybe an analogy will help car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 12:55:37 PM 1042 Views
But therein lies the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 04:58:42 PM 607 Views
your own argument is self defeating car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:10:36 AM 648 Views
No, that past was created after he was imprisoned. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:43:08 PM 662 Views
*sigh* I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.... I still think your theory is flawed *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:11:10 AM 295 Views
Anyway I just realized this point is irrelevant to the original theory car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:14:20 AM 630 Views
Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 294 Views
Your reasons and mine for irrelevancy are different.. *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:12:52 AM 279 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2010 10:43:16 PM 710 Views
I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 850 Views
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