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We're not as immovable as we are sometimes portrayed. Dannymac Send a noteboard - 03/10/2011 05:27:17 PM
Christian theology has been evolving constantly over the past couple millennium. You can actually watch it happen in the Bible itself.

What you are talking about, though, is not a change in theology but a complete paradigm shift, an invalidation of all that went before. Even Christ didn't do that. It would mean that either our fundamental understanding of God was completely flawed or that the teachings of Christ and his apostles were nearly completely erroneous, at which point we are not changing our religion, but switching to a new one.

If you're wondering if such a change would be tumultuous, then you have a gift for understatement.
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It it is nigh impossible to be a "non-Nicene Christian." Joel - 04/10/2011 03:12:06 PM 1081 Views
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Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian. Joel - 06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM 959 Views
Wikipedia confirms what I already thought: you're off base with the monophysitism. Legolas - 07/10/2011 12:06:40 AM 1313 Views
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Ack, not reading and thinking111 Joel - 05/10/2011 12:36:11 AM 1022 Views
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The people at the Nicene Council and the other councils were not prophets. CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 04:59:50 AM 1105 Views
And you know that because... why, again? Joel - 05/10/2011 07:13:53 AM 1034 Views
Tough Crowd. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 04:44:31 PM 1146 Views
No questions. Have a nice day. TaskmasterJack - 03/10/2011 11:40:58 PM 996 Views
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Re: Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 05:23:12 PM 1106 Views
Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed. everynametaken - 04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM 1034 Views
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