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Are you trying to suggest that "Reformed" or some other brand of scientology is plausible? Joel Send a noteboard - 04/10/2011 04:28:40 PM
it always helps if they've a respectable age and have been believed in a good long while, so people have gotten used to them a bit. That said, even though the LDS church is, what, over a century and a half old, I have a hard time taking Mormon literalism more seriously than, well, Scientology literalism.

Scientology is like the Church of the Sub-Genius: Someone decided to start a joke religion with the explicit purpose of making money; the difference is that scientology somehow managed to be taken seriously. Guess Hubbard won his bet with Asimov/Le Guin/Campbell/any of the other individuals MANY people have stated Hubbard bet he could start a fake religion and get people to believe in it. Depending on ones perspective, that is evidence that either spirituality or credulity (possibly both) are integral to humanity.
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....did we just get door-to-door'd...ONLINE?!?! *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/10/2011 11:34:19 AM 682 Views
Nope. Gher - 04/10/2011 01:32:43 AM 1201 Views
there's no real point to it LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 02:37:24 AM 2229 Views
We could use an evil cackling smilie, we do have some other evil ones Isaac - 04/10/2011 02:49:12 AM 1179 Views
wasn't going to argue... *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 02:57:00 AM 676 Views
Do you ever giggle at the name "Moroni?" Ghavrel - 03/10/2011 11:39:55 AM 1282 Views
There are Mormon literalists? Seriously? *NM* Legolas - 03/10/2011 03:02:18 PM 671 Views
In fairness, I wonder the same about Christian literalists. *NM* Ghavrel - 03/10/2011 07:57:19 PM 743 Views
Yeah, but if you're gonna believe absurdities... Legolas - 03/10/2011 09:02:32 PM 1277 Views
Are you trying to suggest that "Reformed" or some other brand of scientology is plausible? Joel - 04/10/2011 04:28:40 PM 1219 Views
Actually, no. It'd be like laughing at... Hosea. Or Nemeiah. It's just an old name. Gher - 04/10/2011 12:30:57 AM 1176 Views
I know they don't have multiple wives anymore, so no misconception there ironclad - 03/10/2011 01:23:50 PM 1198 Views
There are Fundamentalist "Mormons" who do... Danu - 03/10/2011 11:32:56 PM 1092 Views
Don't get me wrong by the way, I've met wonderful Mormons ironclad - 04/10/2011 12:22:03 PM 1179 Views
Question: Why are you such a faggot? *NM* Urza - 03/10/2011 02:23:45 PM 579 Views
Answer: because it's the only way he could return your burning love for him. Nate - 03/10/2011 03:24:23 PM 806 Views
Oh dont be such a fuddy duddy. Urza - 03/10/2011 10:42:06 PM 802 Views
Better a faggot than a fuckwad. Cheers fuckwad! *NM* everynametaken - 04/10/2011 01:27:20 AM 696 Views
Well, I suppose you'ld be the one to know. *NM* Urza - 04/10/2011 01:54:35 AM 633 Views
Really? You really just pulled a "takes one to know one"? *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 04/10/2011 04:19:22 PM 739 Views
Re: You embarrass yourself. *NM* Gaps - 04/10/2011 01:56:02 AM 590 Views
I'll tell you whats embarresing... Urza - 04/10/2011 02:08:02 AM 913 Views
That is hilarious. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:10:50 AM 807 Views
Goodness.. Urza - 04/10/2011 03:20:30 AM 753 Views
Re: Nate - 04/10/2011 03:28:25 AM 771 Views
You know, my mother had a saying. Urza - 04/10/2011 03:39:32 AM 811 Views
I think it's safe to say ... Nate - 04/10/2011 04:09:17 AM 719 Views
I'm not sure which would be sadder... Legolas - 04/10/2011 11:32:55 AM 848 Views
*NM* ironclad - 04/10/2011 12:19:01 PM 668 Views
Re: You flatter me. *NM* Gaps - 04/10/2011 01:31:01 PM 719 Views
OK, you need to delete the "Re:" You're using it incorrectly beetnemesis - 04/10/2011 01:55:53 PM 726 Views
"Re" doesn't have to mean "reply", it can also mean "regarding". Legolas - 04/10/2011 02:01:31 PM 739 Views
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Re: Also. Gaps - 04/10/2011 02:08:15 PM 771 Views
you are still using it incorrectly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 02:09:48 PM 707 Views
He's doing it on purpose though. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:31:39 PM 840 Views
Re: Yeah, it's just a shtick... Gaps - 04/10/2011 03:47:17 PM 725 Views
Those were the good old days. Nate - 04/10/2011 04:02:33 PM 745 Views
*NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/10/2011 10:02:30 PM 652 Views
I agree, it's driving me nuts *NM* ironclad - 04/10/2011 02:36:45 PM 631 Views
That's not quite right, actually. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:25:54 PM 663 Views
Disagree. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/10/2011 10:04:09 PM 683 Views
Considering that "CaptainHammer" is LDS, I'd rather doubt he's gay. Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2011 02:32:56 AM 696 Views
Re: Considering that "CaptainHammer" is LDS, I'd rather doubt he's gay. Urza - 04/10/2011 02:37:41 AM 726 Views
Heh. Oh, Ryan. Kronin al'Sulc - 04/10/2011 04:36:43 PM 841 Views
*sigh* to all of you above.... LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:06:21 AM 749 Views
I thought that was "Do not talk about /b/"? *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2011 03:12:52 AM 741 Views
i don't know, but if THAT is the first rule... LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:41:20 AM 700 Views
Please explain why you think we should consider you Christians. Tom - 03/10/2011 04:33:06 PM 1353 Views
you know, that does make me wonder though LadyLorraine - 03/10/2011 04:58:21 PM 1238 Views
We're not as immovable as we are sometimes portrayed. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 05:27:17 PM 1200 Views
"Even Christ didn't do that"? I can't agree. Legolas - 03/10/2011 09:00:34 PM 1228 Views
I conceded your last point. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 10:14:28 PM 1085 Views
Point of Anal Retentive Dissent: Joel - 04/10/2011 03:54:00 PM 1142 Views
That concept is alien to the Christian theological understanding, however. Tom - 03/10/2011 10:18:55 PM 1229 Views
I understand what both you and Danny are saying LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 12:19:57 AM 1170 Views
Oh, that's very simple Tom - 04/10/2011 04:02:24 AM 1212 Views
I honestly don't know what it would take. Dannymac - 04/10/2011 07:41:55 AM 1164 Views
thank you, both of you LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 01:46:05 PM 1161 Views
I love the Nicene Creed. It is such an excellent encapsulation. Rebekah - 03/10/2011 06:07:53 PM 1263 Views
Agreed. Joel - 04/10/2011 04:44:49 PM 1128 Views
The absolute best part about your post (plus the best thing about Mo's/LDS's) Jeordam - 03/10/2011 09:02:17 PM 1197 Views
Glad you enjoyed it Tom - 03/10/2011 10:10:39 PM 1306 Views
Though they can cause interesting changes in patterns. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 10:16:55 PM 1258 Views
We believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind, and the only way back to God. Gher - 04/10/2011 01:29:30 AM 1299 Views
If you think the Book of Mormon was well-written, there is really little left to discuss. Tom - 04/10/2011 03:57:08 AM 1456 Views
I never said well-written, I said complex. Gher - 04/10/2011 07:04:24 AM 1336 Views
Ignore facts all you want to. Tom - 05/10/2011 01:07:35 AM 1227 Views
Re: If you think the Book of Mormon was well-written, there is really little left to discuss. CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 07:24:27 AM 1440 Views
Woah nelly. Ghavrel - 04/10/2011 10:04:33 AM 1232 Views
I have to "Wow" as well... racist much? LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 01:52:48 PM 1157 Views
Re: I have to "Wow" as well... racist much? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 04:42:47 PM 1251 Views
oh well that makes it all better... LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 04:54:14 PM 1253 Views
Exactly ironclad - 04/10/2011 06:00:54 PM 1175 Views
Was the twin banging and the gay wedding the same event? Joel - 04/10/2011 06:36:03 PM 1247 Views
Yikes. Even for religion, that's more than a little crazy. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:47:56 PM 1232 Views
I don't think there's much of a difference in crazy as opposed to other more mainstream religions. Vivien - 04/10/2011 07:08:06 PM 1202 Views
A difference exists if only in continued unabashed affirmation of a rather distasteful doctrine. Joel - 04/10/2011 11:06:51 PM 1198 Views
Then why can't women be priests? Or enter the altar? The curse on Eve is very much in place. *NM* Aeryn - 05/10/2011 12:27:04 AM 641 Views
OK, within the Mormon context I can see that point. Joel - 05/10/2011 12:33:52 AM 1144 Views
They can in quite a few denominations. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2011 06:12:35 AM 681 Views
Whoops! You meant in LDS specifically. My mistake. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2011 06:14:05 AM 676 Views
Right now I am not making an absolute statement but a relative one. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:37:50 PM 1015 Views
Yes, that is kind of the problem. Joel - 06/10/2011 12:13:27 AM 1153 Views
Oh, you didn't know? Joe Smith said black people are cursed for following Satan. Tom - 05/10/2011 01:10:35 AM 1198 Views
I guess this is a variation on Hams punishment; Ghav, at least should know better than to be shocked Joel - 04/10/2011 04:13:59 PM 1133 Views
it's not that we're surprised because it's "novel" LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 04:19:16 PM 1183 Views
It is not NECESSARILY racist. Joel - 04/10/2011 04:39:33 PM 1217 Views
Sure, except ... Nate - 04/10/2011 04:50:53 PM 1230 Views
Well, the funny thing is Christian doctrine presupposes everyone, along with their ancestors... Joel - 04/10/2011 06:31:13 PM 1131 Views
Yeah, circular logic is fun, isn't it? Tom - 05/10/2011 01:09:25 AM 1146 Views
It it is nigh impossible to be a "non-Nicene Christian." Joel - 04/10/2011 03:12:06 PM 1251 Views
I think we've had this discussion before. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:54:39 PM 1241 Views
Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian. Joel - 06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM 1130 Views
Wikipedia confirms what I already thought: you're off base with the monophysitism. Legolas - 07/10/2011 12:06:40 AM 1463 Views
I had not realized it was that late, but used it only as an example of multitudinous controversies. Joel - 07/10/2011 01:03:56 AM 1577 Views
Monophysites, miaphysites, monothelites, etc. certainly accept the consubstantiality of God/Christ Larry - 07/10/2011 11:58:05 AM 1162 Views
Virtually everyone has a more sound Christology than Mormons. Tom - 07/10/2011 06:45:45 PM 1192 Views
Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Joel - 08/10/2011 05:30:38 PM 1205 Views
I can see that with the Monothelites (can see their appeal, in fact,) but not Monophysites. Joel - 07/10/2011 09:43:27 PM 1131 Views
Tempting as it is to prove Joel wrong (since he so frequently is), I need to take issue with this. Tom - 07/10/2011 06:59:13 PM 1211 Views
I was just saying there were competing views. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:49:26 PM 1592 Views
Oh, there were definitely competing views, just not competing Christian views. Joel - 07/10/2011 09:26:22 PM 1108 Views
That sounds really nice. Vivien - 04/10/2011 06:38:29 PM 1207 Views
Why wait though? Joel - 05/10/2011 12:12:21 AM 1363 Views
So that Vivien can avoid reading and thinking about the stuff that you just wrote. *NM* Aeryn - 05/10/2011 12:28:23 AM 615 Views
Ack, not reading and thinking111 Joel - 05/10/2011 12:36:11 AM 1172 Views
I really want an answer from a mormon. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:48:49 PM 1217 Views
Good luck with that; just because I can see no explanation save that I offered does not preclude one Joel - 06/10/2011 07:03:50 AM 1104 Views
Yeah, that's what I thought. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:43:57 PM 1128 Views
I'm satisfied by that explanation. Vivien - 06/10/2011 08:51:15 PM 1382 Views
Re: I'm satisfied by that explanation. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:45:29 PM 1193 Views
Oh no you idn't... *waves finger and weaves head* everynametaken - 04/10/2011 03:53:07 AM 1012 Views
....i don't know what you look like LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:54:56 AM 1134 Views
Shoot, my Mick Jagger strut is way better than my angry hispanic girl head/finger bob and weave. *NM* everynametaken - 05/10/2011 04:58:53 AM 744 Views
Took the words right out of my mouth, repeatedly. Joel - 04/10/2011 12:49:13 PM 1359 Views
Off-Topic Larry - 05/10/2011 01:14:16 AM 1124 Views
Hmm Tom - 05/10/2011 02:03:13 AM 1324 Views
True Larry - 05/10/2011 02:13:00 AM 1121 Views
I think of Protestantism in terms similar to a Xerox copy. Tom - 05/10/2011 04:57:42 AM 1230 Views
Maybe Xeroxes of abridged texts and dumbed down theology Larry - 06/10/2011 02:26:58 AM 1311 Views
I like that analogy - an echo chamber! *NM* Tom - 08/10/2011 10:44:04 PM 669 Views
Re: Off-Topic CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 02:56:50 AM 1345 Views
Uhh... Larry - 05/10/2011 03:08:49 AM 1110 Views
The people at the Nicene Council and the other councils were not prophets. CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 04:59:50 AM 1258 Views
And you know that because... why, again? Joel - 05/10/2011 07:13:53 AM 1199 Views
Tough Crowd. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 04:44:31 PM 1294 Views
No questions. Have a nice day. TaskmasterJack - 03/10/2011 11:40:58 PM 1142 Views
Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? *NM* Dan - 04/10/2011 03:58:16 AM 743 Views
Re: Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 05:23:12 PM 1267 Views
Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed. everynametaken - 04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM 1182 Views
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