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Was the twin banging and the gay wedding the same event? Joel Send a noteboard - 04/10/2011 06:36:03 PM
Let me add to this. We also believe that the Native American people will become a great and righteous people once again. Doctrine and Covenants 3:20 says, "And that the Lamanites(Native Americans) might come to the knowledge of their fathers, and that they might know the promises of the Lord, and that they may believe the gospel and rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ, and be glorified through faith in his name, and that through their repentance they might be saved. Amen."

it's okay that you think they "turned dark" because they were evil (despite the fact that evidence suggests that the human species "Turned white", not the other way around)...because your white religion will "Save them".

That's so much better.


This is and always will be my major problem with religions like this. "Nono, we don't think you're all bad people, but if you don't believe like we do, there will be hell to pay for you once Christ returns."

Well guess what? If there is a God he certainly doesn't like bullies like that. And just in case, at least I lived a life in sin, had fun, banged twins and danced at gay weddings. (dramatization: may not have happened).

It is wrong to count such things twice. Except on the Purity Test, of course, where every technicality counts. :|

For the record, as noted below, Christianity (not to be confused with Mormonism) is predicated on the notion that we are all bad people (or rather, people who do bad things) and there will be Hell to pay for all of us when Christ returns unless we let Him do something about that. "Holier than thou" is not really on the table.
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Goodness.. Urza - 04/10/2011 03:20:30 AM 753 Views
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OK, you need to delete the "Re:" You're using it incorrectly beetnemesis - 04/10/2011 01:55:53 PM 725 Views
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you are still using it incorrectly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 02:09:48 PM 706 Views
He's doing it on purpose though. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:31:39 PM 839 Views
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Those were the good old days. Nate - 04/10/2011 04:02:33 PM 744 Views
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I agree, it's driving me nuts *NM* ironclad - 04/10/2011 02:36:45 PM 631 Views
That's not quite right, actually. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:25:54 PM 663 Views
Disagree. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/10/2011 10:04:09 PM 683 Views
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I conceded your last point. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 10:14:28 PM 1085 Views
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I understand what both you and Danny are saying LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 12:19:57 AM 1168 Views
Oh, that's very simple Tom - 04/10/2011 04:02:24 AM 1209 Views
I honestly don't know what it would take. Dannymac - 04/10/2011 07:41:55 AM 1161 Views
thank you, both of you LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 01:46:05 PM 1158 Views
I love the Nicene Creed. It is such an excellent encapsulation. Rebekah - 03/10/2011 06:07:53 PM 1260 Views
Agreed. Joel - 04/10/2011 04:44:49 PM 1128 Views
The absolute best part about your post (plus the best thing about Mo's/LDS's) Jeordam - 03/10/2011 09:02:17 PM 1197 Views
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Though they can cause interesting changes in patterns. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 10:16:55 PM 1256 Views
We believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind, and the only way back to God. Gher - 04/10/2011 01:29:30 AM 1296 Views
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I never said well-written, I said complex. Gher - 04/10/2011 07:04:24 AM 1332 Views
Ignore facts all you want to. Tom - 05/10/2011 01:07:35 AM 1225 Views
Re: If you think the Book of Mormon was well-written, there is really little left to discuss. CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 07:24:27 AM 1437 Views
Woah nelly. Ghavrel - 04/10/2011 10:04:33 AM 1228 Views
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Re: I have to "Wow" as well... racist much? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 04:42:47 PM 1248 Views
oh well that makes it all better... LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 04:54:14 PM 1251 Views
Exactly ironclad - 04/10/2011 06:00:54 PM 1175 Views
Was the twin banging and the gay wedding the same event? Joel - 04/10/2011 06:36:03 PM 1245 Views
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A difference exists if only in continued unabashed affirmation of a rather distasteful doctrine. Joel - 04/10/2011 11:06:51 PM 1197 Views
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They can in quite a few denominations. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2011 06:12:35 AM 679 Views
Whoops! You meant in LDS specifically. My mistake. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2011 06:14:05 AM 674 Views
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Oh, you didn't know? Joe Smith said black people are cursed for following Satan. Tom - 05/10/2011 01:10:35 AM 1196 Views
I guess this is a variation on Hams punishment; Ghav, at least should know better than to be shocked Joel - 04/10/2011 04:13:59 PM 1131 Views
it's not that we're surprised because it's "novel" LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 04:19:16 PM 1180 Views
It is not NECESSARILY racist. Joel - 04/10/2011 04:39:33 PM 1214 Views
Sure, except ... Nate - 04/10/2011 04:50:53 PM 1228 Views
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Yeah, circular logic is fun, isn't it? Tom - 05/10/2011 01:09:25 AM 1144 Views
It it is nigh impossible to be a "non-Nicene Christian." Joel - 04/10/2011 03:12:06 PM 1249 Views
I think we've had this discussion before. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:54:39 PM 1239 Views
Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian. Joel - 06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM 1128 Views
Wikipedia confirms what I already thought: you're off base with the monophysitism. Legolas - 07/10/2011 12:06:40 AM 1461 Views
I had not realized it was that late, but used it only as an example of multitudinous controversies. Joel - 07/10/2011 01:03:56 AM 1575 Views
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Virtually everyone has a more sound Christology than Mormons. Tom - 07/10/2011 06:45:45 PM 1190 Views
Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Joel - 08/10/2011 05:30:38 PM 1202 Views
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I was just saying there were competing views. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:49:26 PM 1590 Views
Oh, there were definitely competing views, just not competing Christian views. Joel - 07/10/2011 09:26:22 PM 1106 Views
That sounds really nice. Vivien - 04/10/2011 06:38:29 PM 1203 Views
Why wait though? Joel - 05/10/2011 12:12:21 AM 1360 Views
So that Vivien can avoid reading and thinking about the stuff that you just wrote. *NM* Aeryn - 05/10/2011 12:28:23 AM 614 Views
Ack, not reading and thinking111 Joel - 05/10/2011 12:36:11 AM 1172 Views
I really want an answer from a mormon. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:48:49 PM 1215 Views
Good luck with that; just because I can see no explanation save that I offered does not preclude one Joel - 06/10/2011 07:03:50 AM 1102 Views
Yeah, that's what I thought. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:43:57 PM 1125 Views
I'm satisfied by that explanation. Vivien - 06/10/2011 08:51:15 PM 1382 Views
Re: I'm satisfied by that explanation. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:45:29 PM 1193 Views
Oh no you idn't... *waves finger and weaves head* everynametaken - 04/10/2011 03:53:07 AM 1010 Views
....i don't know what you look like LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:54:56 AM 1131 Views
Shoot, my Mick Jagger strut is way better than my angry hispanic girl head/finger bob and weave. *NM* everynametaken - 05/10/2011 04:58:53 AM 744 Views
Took the words right out of my mouth, repeatedly. Joel - 04/10/2011 12:49:13 PM 1359 Views
Off-Topic Larry - 05/10/2011 01:14:16 AM 1121 Views
Hmm Tom - 05/10/2011 02:03:13 AM 1322 Views
True Larry - 05/10/2011 02:13:00 AM 1117 Views
I think of Protestantism in terms similar to a Xerox copy. Tom - 05/10/2011 04:57:42 AM 1228 Views
Maybe Xeroxes of abridged texts and dumbed down theology Larry - 06/10/2011 02:26:58 AM 1311 Views
I like that analogy - an echo chamber! *NM* Tom - 08/10/2011 10:44:04 PM 668 Views
Re: Off-Topic CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 02:56:50 AM 1343 Views
Uhh... Larry - 05/10/2011 03:08:49 AM 1109 Views
The people at the Nicene Council and the other councils were not prophets. CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 04:59:50 AM 1256 Views
And you know that because... why, again? Joel - 05/10/2011 07:13:53 AM 1195 Views
Tough Crowd. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 04:44:31 PM 1291 Views
No questions. Have a nice day. TaskmasterJack - 03/10/2011 11:40:58 PM 1140 Views
Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? *NM* Dan - 04/10/2011 03:58:16 AM 742 Views
Re: Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 05:23:12 PM 1263 Views
Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed. everynametaken - 04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM 1180 Views
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