Oh, there were definitely competing views, just not competing Christian views.
Joel Send a noteboard - 07/10/2011 09:26:22 PM
I'm not saying Arianism (yeah, that sounds familiar) is more true, just that there was no universal agreement. And it wasn't just those 2 positions either. So it's possible, IMO, to be a non-Nicene Christian.
I can see the appeal of many of those views to new Christians not yet familiar with the details of the faith they have only begun to explore. They are not competing Christian views, but competing views to which an eager but largely ignorant Christian uncertainly exploring their faith is very susceptible. In that state I briefly adopted both Nestorian view and Monophysite views on my own, precisely because I WAS largely on my own: I knew no better, but that could not remain so unless I ceased examining and exploring my faith. Further consideration, prayer and biblical study demonstrated how incompatible those positions are with Christianitys foundational elements. The fellowship and ministry of others certainly helped, and the Grace of almighty God did not hurt either. That is the reason the Council of Nicaea felt obligated, even called, to clarify and codify Christology and eliminate the mortal threats confronting early Christians at every turn.
But yeah, we interpret things very differently, so you may not agree
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So long as it is only interpretation reasonable men can differ--but we must be sure we do interpret, not just absorb, or we follow carnal men rather than holy God.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Mormons
03/10/2011 05:46:10 AM
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Questions.
03/10/2011 11:13:25 AM
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Re: Questions.
03/10/2011 01:28:28 PM
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I don't understand why they would be called drinks, if they were not meant to be drunk.
03/10/2011 03:28:48 PM
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Why did I look up what Quorn is? I didn't need to know that. *NM*
03/10/2011 02:04:20 PM
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....did we just get door-to-door'd...ONLINE?!?! *NM*
03/10/2011 11:34:19 AM
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Nope.
04/10/2011 01:32:43 AM
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there's no real point to it
04/10/2011 02:37:24 AM
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We could use an evil cackling smilie, we do have some other evil ones




04/10/2011 02:49:12 AM
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Do you ever giggle at the name "Moroni?"
03/10/2011 11:39:55 AM
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There are Mormon literalists? Seriously? *NM*
03/10/2011 03:02:18 PM
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In fairness, I wonder the same about Christian literalists.
*NM*
03/10/2011 07:57:19 PM
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Yeah, but if you're gonna believe absurdities...
03/10/2011 09:02:32 PM
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Are you trying to suggest that "Reformed" or some other brand of scientology is plausible?
04/10/2011 04:28:40 PM
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Actually, no. It'd be like laughing at... Hosea. Or Nemeiah. It's just an old name.
04/10/2011 12:30:57 AM
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I know they don't have multiple wives anymore, so no misconception there
03/10/2011 01:23:50 PM
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Question: Why are you such a faggot? *NM*
03/10/2011 02:23:45 PM
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Answer: because it's the only way he could return your burning love for him.
03/10/2011 03:24:23 PM
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Better a faggot than a fuckwad. Cheers fuckwad!
*NM*
04/10/2011 01:27:20 AM
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Re: You embarrass yourself. *NM*
04/10/2011 01:56:02 AM
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I'll tell you whats embarresing...
04/10/2011 02:08:02 AM
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That is hilarious.
04/10/2011 03:10:50 AM
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Goodness..
04/10/2011 03:20:30 AM
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Re:
04/10/2011 03:28:25 AM
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OK, you need to delete the "Re:" You're using it incorrectly
04/10/2011 01:55:53 PM
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Re: Also.
04/10/2011 02:08:15 PM
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you are still using it incorrectly. *NM*
04/10/2011 02:09:48 PM
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He's doing it on purpose though.
04/10/2011 03:31:39 PM
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Considering that "CaptainHammer" is LDS, I'd rather doubt he's gay.
04/10/2011 02:32:56 AM
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Re: Considering that "CaptainHammer" is LDS, I'd rather doubt he's gay.
04/10/2011 02:37:41 AM
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*sigh* to all of you above....
04/10/2011 03:06:21 AM
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Please explain why you think we should consider you Christians.
03/10/2011 04:33:06 PM
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you know, that does make me wonder though
03/10/2011 04:58:21 PM
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We're not as immovable as we are sometimes portrayed.
03/10/2011 05:27:17 PM
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That concept is alien to the Christian theological understanding, however.
03/10/2011 10:18:55 PM
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I understand what both you and Danny are saying
04/10/2011 12:19:57 AM
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The absolute best part about your post (plus the best thing about Mo's/LDS's)
03/10/2011 09:02:17 PM
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We believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind, and the only way back to God.
04/10/2011 01:29:30 AM
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If you think the Book of Mormon was well-written, there is really little left to discuss.
04/10/2011 03:57:08 AM
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Re: If you think the Book of Mormon was well-written, there is really little left to discuss.
04/10/2011 07:24:27 AM
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Woah nelly.
04/10/2011 10:04:33 AM
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I have to "Wow" as well... racist much?
04/10/2011 01:52:48 PM
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Re: I have to "Wow" as well... racist much?
04/10/2011 04:42:47 PM
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oh well that makes it all better...
04/10/2011 04:54:14 PM
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Yikes. Even for religion, that's more than a little crazy.
04/10/2011 03:47:56 PM
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I don't think there's much of a difference in crazy as opposed to other more mainstream religions.
04/10/2011 07:08:06 PM
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A difference exists if only in continued unabashed affirmation of a rather distasteful doctrine.
04/10/2011 11:06:51 PM
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Then why can't women be priests? Or enter the altar? The curse on Eve is very much in place. *NM*
05/10/2011 12:27:04 AM
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Right now I am not making an absolute statement but a relative one.
05/10/2011 08:37:50 PM
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Oh, you didn't know? Joe Smith said black people are cursed for following Satan.
05/10/2011 01:10:35 AM
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I guess this is a variation on Hams punishment; Ghav, at least should know better than to be shocked
04/10/2011 04:13:59 PM
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it's not that we're surprised because it's "novel"
04/10/2011 04:19:16 PM
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It is not NECESSARILY racist.
04/10/2011 04:39:33 PM
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Sure, except ...
04/10/2011 04:50:53 PM
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Well, the funny thing is Christian doctrine presupposes everyone, along with their ancestors...
04/10/2011 06:31:13 PM
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It it is nigh impossible to be a "non-Nicene Christian."
04/10/2011 03:12:06 PM
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I think we've had this discussion before.
06/10/2011 05:54:39 PM
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Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian.
06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM
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Wikipedia confirms what I already thought: you're off base with the monophysitism.
07/10/2011 12:06:40 AM
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I had not realized it was that late, but used it only as an example of multitudinous controversies.
07/10/2011 01:03:56 AM
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Monophysites, miaphysites, monothelites, etc. certainly accept the consubstantiality of God/Christ
07/10/2011 11:58:05 AM
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Virtually everyone has a more sound Christology than Mormons.
07/10/2011 06:45:45 PM
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Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
08/10/2011 05:30:38 PM
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I can see that with the Monothelites (can see their appeal, in fact,) but not Monophysites.
07/10/2011 09:43:27 PM
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Tempting as it is to prove Joel wrong (since he so frequently is), I need to take issue with this.
07/10/2011 06:59:13 PM
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I was just saying there were competing views.
07/10/2011 07:49:26 PM
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Oh, there were definitely competing views, just not competing Christian views.
07/10/2011 09:26:22 PM
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That sounds really nice.
04/10/2011 06:38:29 PM
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Why wait though?
05/10/2011 12:12:21 AM
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So that Vivien can avoid reading and thinking about the stuff that you just wrote. *NM*
05/10/2011 12:28:23 AM
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I really want an answer from a mormon.
05/10/2011 08:48:49 PM
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Good luck with that; just because I can see no explanation save that I offered does not preclude one
06/10/2011 07:03:50 AM
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
06/10/2011 05:43:57 PM
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Oh no you idn't... *waves finger and weaves head*
04/10/2011 03:53:07 AM
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....i don't know what you look like
04/10/2011 03:54:56 AM
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Shoot, my Mick Jagger strut is way better than my angry hispanic girl head/finger bob and weave.
*NM*
05/10/2011 04:58:53 AM
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Off-Topic
05/10/2011 01:14:16 AM
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Hmm
05/10/2011 02:03:13 AM
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True
05/10/2011 02:13:00 AM
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I think of Protestantism in terms similar to a Xerox copy.
05/10/2011 04:57:42 AM
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Re: Off-Topic
05/10/2011 02:56:50 AM
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Uhh...
05/10/2011 03:08:49 AM
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The people at the Nicene Council and the other councils were not prophets.
05/10/2011 04:59:50 AM
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Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed.
04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM
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