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If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM
Implanon and IUDs both last for years at a time, and have sub-1% failure rates. I am not sure how readily PP provides these, but they are definitely solutions to the biggest problem of birth control, which is human error.

If the healthcare law and the DHHS ruling classifying birth control as preventive care both stand, all of these will soon be available to everyone with no copay. (Of course, the "pro-life" movement is fighting this tooth and nail, because preventing abortions isn't really their primary goal.)


I don't think they see the link between that and preventing unplanned pregnancy though, unless they only want to allow for abstinence as the route to that.


If they haven't looked, then they're not serious about what they claim is their overriding goal, which is my point.

Yes, most of them only want to support abstinence. That's because the "pro-life" movement is really about enforcing specific, oppressive sexual mores.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) nossy - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2568 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing beetnemesis - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1426 Views
I agree. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1305 Views
I can understand it though. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1391 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1321 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1303 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1278 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1381 Views
That is a little unfair. Joel - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1637 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1375 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. nossy - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1268 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1288 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? Ray - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1315 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1294 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... Joel - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1383 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1445 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." Joel - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1375 Views
Oh please. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1325 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. Joel - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 1197 Views
Quite a telling reply. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1301 Views
Re: I quite agree. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1479 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1310 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1342 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1629 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1385 Views
You continue to miss the point. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1473 Views
No, I got the point: You expect me to accept a heavily biased, partisan and combative "source." Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:37 AM 1396 Views
The claim of brain waves at 8 weeks is still unsupported by evidence, i.e. a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 09:16:14 PM 1458 Views
Well, yes. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1411 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1282 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. nossy - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1399 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1283 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* nossy - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 760 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Joel - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1451 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1312 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 1139 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1337 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1273 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1410 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1514 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1363 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1370 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1463 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1355 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1686 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1356 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1585 Views
There are problems with the implants LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1345 Views
Any form of birth control doesn't work for everyone, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:37:00 AM 1348 Views
Oh yes, I totally agree! My point is just that there are some barriers to handing out implants *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 03:38:05 AM 641 Views
You have a talent for understatement. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1355 Views
What on earth does that have to do with anything? Cannoli - 03/02/2012 01:47:42 AM 1257 Views
I was actually kinda with you until you closed with that anathema I condemned in my response to rt. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:39:06 PM 1311 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart Ray - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1508 Views
I agree. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 1285 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other Ray - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1327 Views
Right nossy - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1374 Views
it is a judgment call and I hope her decision is based on more than my guesses Ray - 02/02/2012 06:53:50 PM 1248 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1292 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? nossy - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 1210 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1365 Views
I know I'm not always clear. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1309 Views
Just curious... Narg - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1298 Views
Not at all. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1331 Views
Not at all? Narg - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 1251 Views
No. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 1184 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1265 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes nossy - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1274 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks Ray - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1274 Views
Ooor, the best. nossy - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 1249 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* Ray - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 761 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 697 Views
rabble rouser *NM* Ray - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 765 Views
I misread this at first Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1287 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2336 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. nossy - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 1239 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it Ray - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1295 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 1266 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... Legolas - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1347 Views
You don't know stuff. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1333 Views
I know the stuff that matters. Legolas - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 1225 Views
That's true. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1337 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN Ray - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1384 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. Aeryn - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1414 Views
did you notice I called tactic disgusting? That doesn't mean it isn't effective Ray - 03/02/2012 12:45:10 AM 1334 Views
The investigation by Congress is well-known to be specious. It's the House GOP abusing their power. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:41:58 AM 781 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me Lews_TherinThelamon - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1350 Views
Must be nice. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 780 Views
Re: stuff rebelaessedai - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 1230 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1291 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1379 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that LadyLorraine - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 1234 Views
Fair enough. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1378 Views
Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:54:34 PM 1351 Views
Re: Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. nossy - 02/02/2012 11:03:32 PM 1224 Views
After a little more digging I have to say you are probably right. Joel - 03/02/2012 02:23:14 AM 1166 Views
They restored funding incidentally Isaac - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 1274 Views
Unless I've missed it nossy - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1314 Views
You must have missed it then Isaac - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 1258 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli nossy - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1420 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words Isaac - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1278 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. nossy - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1317 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. Isaac - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1512 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. nossy - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1343 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. Isaac - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1301 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision random thoughts - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1408 Views
Re: well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision Isaac - 03/02/2012 06:29:34 PM 1204 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 1256 Views
Truth Dannymac - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1312 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 1236 Views
Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort Isaac - 03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM 1300 Views
Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM 1348 Views
Judge for yourself Isaac - 04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM 1374 Views
Well, a public letter makes whether they signed it "Sen. so-and-so" irrelevant: It is political. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:07:20 PM 1293 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? random thoughts - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1418 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1243 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened Ray - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1320 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1358 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker Ray - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 1266 Views
Dude. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 1160 Views
Yo mama? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1344 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy nossy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1323 Views
Why would I not think that? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 1177 Views
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