The world needs to decide how it feels about non-proliferation.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/02/2010 07:11:51 PM
I've seen a number of our posters take an increasingly popular position (which, incidentally, is Ahmadinejads also: ) "America has nukes, and they're the only ones who've ever used them; if they don't have to disarm, why should anyone else be barred from arming?" I suspect Pakistan will answer that question shortly; if they don't, North Korea will probably start extorting Japan instead.
Point being, the "fallout" (poor choice of words
) from another US invasion vs. a nuclear Iran depends on where you sit, and how far you look. The more America acts preemptively and unilaterally the more difficult coalition building becomes, because there are more and more cases where dissenters will say, "but we'll never know what would've happened if America hadn't intervened. " Perhaps they need to find out for themselves. Realistically the only relevance to us depends on what it does to the price of oil and whether we get sucked into a war defending Israel (which seems unlikely; if Iran hits Israel with a nuke they'll get hit back a lot harder. ) As for what we'd do if they get into Lebanon, well, when terrorist suicide bombed our Marine barracks there we left the country.
Point being, the "fallout" (poor choice of words
) from another US invasion vs. a nuclear Iran depends on where you sit, and how far you look. The more America acts preemptively and unilaterally the more difficult coalition building becomes, because there are more and more cases where dissenters will say, "but we'll never know what would've happened if America hadn't intervened. " Perhaps they need to find out for themselves. Realistically the only relevance to us depends on what it does to the price of oil and whether we get sucked into a war defending Israel (which seems unlikely; if Iran hits Israel with a nuke they'll get hit back a lot harder. ) As for what we'd do if they get into Lebanon, well, when terrorist suicide bombed our Marine barracks there we left the country.
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Why Iran's dictators can be deterred
- 23/02/2010 01:31:52 PM
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Not sure he showed us how they can be deterred
- 23/02/2010 01:56:42 PM
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Er yeah, that's totally the argument I was going for.
- 23/02/2010 02:06:52 PM
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No Palin was simply cover for the "we just have to accept Iran will get the bomb argument"
- 23/02/2010 02:26:45 PM
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She wasn't cover for anything, but I like how this argument keeps going that way.
- 23/02/2010 02:36:47 PM
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As I have noted it isn't conseratives that keep bring her up
- 23/02/2010 03:26:11 PM
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and I tried to take her out of the argument. But here we are.
- 23/02/2010 03:39:29 PM
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dealing with the repercussions of attacking another Islamic country may be our best option
- 23/02/2010 04:25:47 PM
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The world needs to decide how it feels about non-proliferation.
- 23/02/2010 07:11:51 PM
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yes American used the bomb so now we should let everyone else take a turn *NM*
- 24/02/2010 06:22:23 AM
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It would certainly demonstrate the folly of that view.
- 24/02/2010 06:49:56 AM
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well hell then why not just sel them nukes and get it over with
- 24/02/2010 02:33:00 PM
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I really don't think the folly need be demonstrated more than once.
- 28/02/2010 02:49:30 AM
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I think this guy lives on the moon
- 23/02/2010 02:51:20 PM
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I was just talking to Lupine about how I like your posts, but I'm gonna make an exception here.
- 23/02/2010 09:28:44 PM
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- 23/02/2010 09:28:44 PM
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You'll have to link that then, I always like to read things that feed my ego
- 24/02/2010 12:17:37 AM
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- 24/02/2010 12:17:37 AM
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Oh, it was on AIM.
- 24/02/2010 01:13:07 PM
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Ah well, I'll have to self feed my ego instead, fortunately I'm very good at that
- 25/02/2010 03:44:43 PM
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- 25/02/2010 03:44:43 PM
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Here's an article in response to Zakaria's article
- 23/02/2010 03:19:41 PM
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I generally don't care for Fareed, but believe he's right this time.
- 23/02/2010 05:59:00 PM
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Iran is a thorny problem
- 24/02/2010 05:38:09 AM
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I still don't believe North Korea harmless.
- 24/02/2010 06:59:15 AM
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I never used the term 'harmless'
- 24/02/2010 10:01:14 PM
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Fair point, sorry.
- 25/02/2010 12:45:47 PM
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No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position
- 25/02/2010 05:19:10 PM
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Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position
- 28/02/2010 02:30:26 AM
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Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position
- 01/03/2010 03:53:58 PM
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A carrot without a stick is just a free carrot.
- 02/03/2010 08:01:23 AM
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They can hit Tokyo
- 25/02/2010 06:10:44 PM
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So?
- 25/02/2010 07:01:37 PM
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I think you are grossly overestimating our border security
- 25/02/2010 08:03:13 PM
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Well, I KNOW you're ignorant about a lot of things and this shows it.
- 25/02/2010 08:56:45 PM
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Yes you are the Great Cold War Warrior of the chairforce
- 28/02/2010 06:44:31 PM
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Oh I'm sorry - so you're not so much ignorant as idiot.
- 01/03/2010 03:48:32 PM
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Israel does not have the military capability to destroy or significantly damage Iran's nuclear sites
- 24/02/2010 12:33:00 PM
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about - and it shows to anyone who does
- 24/02/2010 10:33:29 PM
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I think this ties in well with this article
- 25/02/2010 09:56:04 AM
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It's going to happen regardless sooner or later; might as well get out in front and claim leadership
- 01/03/2010 06:29:57 AM
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