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Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Macharius Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM
Your premise ignores the issue of "tyranny of the masses".

To be axiomic, that which expands rights under the law is just: that which does not, is injust. Within the legal strictures and priviledges of marriage, what does it matter whether or not the two people are the same sex or not? Our legal and cultural foundations may by inspired by Christian values, but we're not a theocracy. Same-sex marriages couldn't possibly do more to "defile the sanctity of marriage" than how marriage is treated in this country by opposite-sex marriagess (50% divorce rate, anyone?). Not to mention that throughout history marriage has predominantly been for economic bonds, political pacts, financial gain (which is still so common that we colloquially refer to it as "gold-digging" ), etc... hardly building a tradition of sanctity you claim to be supporting.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date Aisha - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1802 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* Tim - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 290 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 324 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. Tim - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 681 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 924 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. heartbreak - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 756 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 757 Views
Ummmm.... no. Napoleon62 - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 766 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying moondog - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 876 Views
What??? Dannymac - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 827 Views
Actually... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 846 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. Dannymac - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 768 Views
That analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 822 Views
Er... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 701 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 769 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 689 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 703 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 754 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 646 Views
Again, you're right. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 633 Views
Yup. Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 735 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 662 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 708 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 660 Views
Absurd. Macharius - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 732 Views
The rules were unjust. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 769 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! Cannoli - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 869 Views
So hang on. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 747 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 738 Views
Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM 784 Views
Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile? Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM 748 Views
actually, i thought i read that it was because she wanted to wear a tux instead of a dress moondog - 12/03/2010 02:46:00 AM 774 Views
Kind of a different can of worms then Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:20:35 AM 709 Views
What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 01:24:47 AM 706 Views
Hmm. Apparently it is legal to discriminate upon the basis of gender. Imagine that. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 02:45:51 AM 687 Views
It kind of makes sense, given the highly arbitrary and stereotypical nature of gender. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 03:35:44 AM 623 Views
Re: What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:01:00 AM 743 Views
I would love to argue with you Tashmere - 15/03/2010 11:03:48 AM 632 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 778 Views
Maybe. Ghavrel - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 780 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 703 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Macharius - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 726 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 687 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. Legolas - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 682 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... Isaac - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 744 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 717 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 711 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 605 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under Isaac - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 759 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 649 Views
Your comments are inconsistent Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 703 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 715 Views
For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 694 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 743 Views
Re: For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 758 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 731 Views
No no, I know how you feel. I'm just disinclined to have sympathy for the school. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:28:35 PM 605 Views
Alternatively, I have little sympathy for the school, I just don't have much for her either Isaac - 12/03/2010 11:56:08 PM 722 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? Aemon - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 704 Views
Actually it is that reductionist Roland00 - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 705 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 780 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 669 Views
Regardless of "rights" invovled, I don't see why she shouldn't be able to go as she pleases. LadyLorraine - 12/03/2010 05:25:31 PM 749 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 826 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 824 Views
One point though ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 748 Views
Re: One point though Lupine - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 812 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 635 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 610 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 672 Views
It does nossy - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 656 Views
Re: It does Isaac - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 608 Views
I typically agree with you nossy - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 713 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 650 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 610 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 Isaac - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 667 Views
No, it should not nossy - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 871 Views
Re: No, it should not Isaac - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 785 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* Tashmere - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 306 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 711 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 588 Views
This is definitely true beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 741 Views
Re: This is definitely true Isaac - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 986 Views
He wasn't neccessarily advocating it. He was translating what they were doing into something that Tashmere - 16/03/2010 01:37:59 AM 677 Views
I'd argue that that kind of hypocrisy is invaluable in today's world, actually. Legolas - 16/03/2010 01:46:16 AM 651 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 685 Views
Re: It does nossy - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 607 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 803 Views
Re: It does nossy - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 706 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 743 Views
Re: It does Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 758 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 721 Views
You make good points. *NM* Legolas - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 278 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 641 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 715 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 592 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 754 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 655 Views
They do ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 773 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 456 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 595 Views
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