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Re: "Pursuing their ideology" beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM

I don't think she's a selfish bitch, I don't think she ruined it for everyone. I just think that it's worth considering that maybe both 'sides' on this issue might be pursuing their ideology while forgetting about everyone else getting trampled.


Even if it was solely a big political ploy (which it doesn't seem to be, it's not like you see the girl making the circuits on Larry King and the rest)... you act like it's a bad thing that the girl wants the right to go the prom with another girl. It's not her fault that a simple request causes this much backlash.

Without trying to sound too bombastic, change rarely happens without ruffling feathers. If something is happening right now that is unjust, which is better? Wait a decade or two, and hope that gradual culture attitudes might one day allow a girl to go with another girl to the prom? Or to change the unjust policy right now?


The girl didn't say, "If you don't let me in with my girlfriend, I order you to SHUT THE WHOLE PROM DOWN!" That was the school's decision. And before you say they were just trying to defuse a PR situation, that situation would never have existed in the first place if they hadn't been bigots.





(Oh, and I rolled my eyes at your comments on tuxedos and school uniforms, but it's not really relevant right now...)
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date Aisha - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1936 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* Tim - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 333 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 379 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. Tim - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 757 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 1018 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. heartbreak - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 845 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 849 Views
Ummmm.... no. Napoleon62 - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 867 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying moondog - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 979 Views
What??? Dannymac - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 942 Views
Actually... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 941 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. Dannymac - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 857 Views
That analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 914 Views
Er... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 790 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 864 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 788 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 803 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 848 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 751 Views
Again, you're right. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 724 Views
Yup. Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 828 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 757 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 808 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 750 Views
Absurd. Macharius - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 828 Views
The rules were unjust. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 854 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! Cannoli - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 967 Views
So hang on. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 867 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 824 Views
Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM 869 Views
Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile? Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM 847 Views
actually, i thought i read that it was because she wanted to wear a tux instead of a dress moondog - 12/03/2010 02:46:00 AM 867 Views
Kind of a different can of worms then Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:20:35 AM 817 Views
What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 01:24:47 AM 804 Views
Hmm. Apparently it is legal to discriminate upon the basis of gender. Imagine that. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 02:45:51 AM 791 Views
It kind of makes sense, given the highly arbitrary and stereotypical nature of gender. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 03:35:44 AM 721 Views
Re: What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:01:00 AM 843 Views
I would love to argue with you Tashmere - 15/03/2010 11:03:48 AM 735 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 880 Views
Maybe. Ghavrel - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 877 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 794 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Macharius - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 827 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 785 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. Legolas - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 778 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... Isaac - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 849 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 819 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 811 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 697 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under Isaac - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 851 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 745 Views
Your comments are inconsistent Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 803 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 804 Views
For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 817 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 853 Views
Re: For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 873 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 833 Views
No no, I know how you feel. I'm just disinclined to have sympathy for the school. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:28:35 PM 704 Views
Alternatively, I have little sympathy for the school, I just don't have much for her either Isaac - 12/03/2010 11:56:08 PM 833 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? Aemon - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 807 Views
Actually it is that reductionist Roland00 - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 802 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 890 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 771 Views
Regardless of "rights" invovled, I don't see why she shouldn't be able to go as she pleases. LadyLorraine - 12/03/2010 05:25:31 PM 848 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 941 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 922 Views
One point though ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 838 Views
Re: One point though Lupine - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 906 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 742 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 700 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 771 Views
It does nossy - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 751 Views
Re: It does Isaac - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 693 Views
I typically agree with you nossy - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 806 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 749 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 717 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 Isaac - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 771 Views
No, it should not nossy - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 965 Views
Re: No, it should not Isaac - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 876 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* Tashmere - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 354 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 807 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 688 Views
This is definitely true beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 838 Views
Re: This is definitely true Isaac - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 1079 Views
He wasn't neccessarily advocating it. He was translating what they were doing into something that Tashmere - 16/03/2010 01:37:59 AM 758 Views
I'd argue that that kind of hypocrisy is invaluable in today's world, actually. Legolas - 16/03/2010 01:46:16 AM 754 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 790 Views
Re: It does nossy - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 705 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 908 Views
Re: It does nossy - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 803 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 839 Views
Re: It does Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 850 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 820 Views
You make good points. *NM* Legolas - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 321 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 741 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 813 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 692 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 847 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 750 Views
They do ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 878 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 506 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 693 Views
Teenaged lesbians Angel Barchild - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 803 Views
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