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Re: "Pursuing their ideology" beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM

I don't think she's a selfish bitch, I don't think she ruined it for everyone. I just think that it's worth considering that maybe both 'sides' on this issue might be pursuing their ideology while forgetting about everyone else getting trampled.


Even if it was solely a big political ploy (which it doesn't seem to be, it's not like you see the girl making the circuits on Larry King and the rest)... you act like it's a bad thing that the girl wants the right to go the prom with another girl. It's not her fault that a simple request causes this much backlash.

Without trying to sound too bombastic, change rarely happens without ruffling feathers. If something is happening right now that is unjust, which is better? Wait a decade or two, and hope that gradual culture attitudes might one day allow a girl to go with another girl to the prom? Or to change the unjust policy right now?


The girl didn't say, "If you don't let me in with my girlfriend, I order you to SHUT THE WHOLE PROM DOWN!" That was the school's decision. And before you say they were just trying to defuse a PR situation, that situation would never have existed in the first place if they hadn't been bigots.





(Oh, and I rolled my eyes at your comments on tuxedos and school uniforms, but it's not really relevant right now...)
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date Aisha - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1804 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* Tim - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 290 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 324 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. Tim - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 682 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 925 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. heartbreak - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 756 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 757 Views
Ummmm.... no. Napoleon62 - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 768 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying moondog - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 878 Views
What??? Dannymac - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 829 Views
Actually... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 848 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. Dannymac - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 769 Views
That analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 823 Views
Er... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 703 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 770 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 689 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 704 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 756 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 647 Views
Again, you're right. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 635 Views
Yup. Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 737 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 664 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 709 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 661 Views
Absurd. Macharius - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 734 Views
The rules were unjust. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 771 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! Cannoli - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 871 Views
So hang on. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 749 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 740 Views
Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM 785 Views
Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile? Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM 749 Views
actually, i thought i read that it was because she wanted to wear a tux instead of a dress moondog - 12/03/2010 02:46:00 AM 776 Views
Kind of a different can of worms then Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:20:35 AM 711 Views
What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 01:24:47 AM 708 Views
Hmm. Apparently it is legal to discriminate upon the basis of gender. Imagine that. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 02:45:51 AM 689 Views
It kind of makes sense, given the highly arbitrary and stereotypical nature of gender. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 03:35:44 AM 625 Views
Re: What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:01:00 AM 744 Views
I would love to argue with you Tashmere - 15/03/2010 11:03:48 AM 634 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 779 Views
Maybe. Ghavrel - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 780 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 703 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Macharius - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 726 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 689 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. Legolas - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 684 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... Isaac - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 746 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 719 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 712 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 607 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under Isaac - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 761 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 651 Views
Your comments are inconsistent Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 704 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 717 Views
For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 696 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 744 Views
Re: For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 760 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 733 Views
No no, I know how you feel. I'm just disinclined to have sympathy for the school. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:28:35 PM 606 Views
Alternatively, I have little sympathy for the school, I just don't have much for her either Isaac - 12/03/2010 11:56:08 PM 724 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? Aemon - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 706 Views
Actually it is that reductionist Roland00 - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 706 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 782 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 669 Views
Regardless of "rights" invovled, I don't see why she shouldn't be able to go as she pleases. LadyLorraine - 12/03/2010 05:25:31 PM 751 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 827 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 826 Views
One point though ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 749 Views
Re: One point though Lupine - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 814 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 637 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 613 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 673 Views
It does nossy - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 657 Views
Re: It does Isaac - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 610 Views
I typically agree with you nossy - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 714 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 652 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 612 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 Isaac - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 667 Views
No, it should not nossy - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 873 Views
Re: No, it should not Isaac - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 786 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* Tashmere - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 306 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 713 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 589 Views
This is definitely true beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 742 Views
Re: This is definitely true Isaac - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 988 Views
He wasn't neccessarily advocating it. He was translating what they were doing into something that Tashmere - 16/03/2010 01:37:59 AM 679 Views
I'd argue that that kind of hypocrisy is invaluable in today's world, actually. Legolas - 16/03/2010 01:46:16 AM 654 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 686 Views
Re: It does nossy - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 609 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 804 Views
Re: It does nossy - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 708 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 745 Views
Re: It does Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 759 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 723 Views
You make good points. *NM* Legolas - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 278 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 643 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 717 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 592 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 755 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 658 Views
They do ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 773 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 456 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 596 Views
Teenaged lesbians Angel Barchild - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 709 Views
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