Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile?
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM
Your premise ignores the issue of "tyranny of the masses".
To be axiomic, that which expands rights under the law is just: that which does not, is injust.
Bullshit. I don't believe that. Prove the "axiomic" principle you are stating. How is your asserting this position any different from the people who think it axiomatic that homosexual is wrong and always will be? That is their belief and your belief in the expansion of rights is not superior just because it is YOU who believes it. To be axiomic, that which expands rights under the law is just: that which does not, is injust.
Within the legal strictures and priviledges of marriage, what does it matter whether or not the two people are the same sex or not?
Because it is for different sexes. Otherwise, why not call men women and women men? Our legal and cultural foundations may by inspired by Christian values, but we're not a theocracy.
So what? I guess we should go back to all those same-sex marriages of the pagan countries, like ancient Rome and Greece and Egypt...oh, wait. Marriage has been around a lot longer than Christianity. It was simply another institution Christianity coopted for its own reasons. Our view of marriage has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with a millenia-old tradition of a single characteristic in its practice. Even societies in our traditions that did not have an issue with same-sex relations did not have same-sex marriage.
Same-sex marriages couldn't possibly do more to "defile the sanctity of marriage" than how marriage is treated in this country by opposite-sex marriagess (50% divorce rate, anyone?).
By this line of thought, it is impossible to rape a slut. Stealing from a poor person is acceptable, because it's no big loss. Beating up on someone who is already badly injured is cool, because they were already disabled. Not to mention that throughout history marriage has predominantly been for economic bonds, political pacts, financial gain (which is still so common that we colloquially refer to it as "gold-digging" ), etc... hardly building a tradition of sanctity you claim to be supporting.
I don't. Idiot. I am opposed to same-sex marriage, because it is a ridiculous affectation and a crusade for a special privilege by a group that already has equality, and is making outrageous demands that people twist their practices to conform to this small group's bizarre and outrageous desires. In fact, all that anti-marriage stuff you cite is EXACTLY why I am opposed to same-sex marriage - there are economic and legal issues that affect people who have nothing to do with the marriages themselves, and same sex marriages will force others to conform to these positions even if they do not believe in it. If it were a simple stupid romantic commitment, I would not give a damn what they got up to or chose to call themselves. It is their attempts to horn in on those societal positions that I take issue with.
Cannoli
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date
11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM
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Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM*
12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM
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This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage.
12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM
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Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with.
12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM
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Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with.
12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM
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What???
12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM
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Actually...
12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM
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Oh, it is definitely self-defense.
12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM
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That analogy is not apt.
12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM
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Er...
12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM
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I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt.
12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM
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12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM
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I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt."
12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM
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That's right, I forgot to add that.
12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM
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It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say?
12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM
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Re: That analogy is not apt.
12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM
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It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong.
12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM
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Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage.
12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM
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Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile?
12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM
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actually, i thought i read that it was because she wanted to wear a tux instead of a dress
12/03/2010 02:46:00 AM
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Kind of a different can of worms then
12/03/2010 03:20:35 AM
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What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over.
14/03/2010 01:24:47 AM
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Hmm. Apparently it is legal to discriminate upon the basis of gender. Imagine that.
14/03/2010 02:45:51 AM
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It kind of makes sense, given the highly arbitrary and stereotypical nature of gender.
14/03/2010 03:35:44 AM
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Re: What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over.
15/03/2010 02:01:00 AM
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It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO
12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM
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Maybe.
12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM
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"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters"
12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM
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As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here.
12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM
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Just giving the benefit of the doubt...
12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM
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Re: "Pursuing their ideology"
12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM
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Re: "Pursuing their ideology"
12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM
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That wasn't the impression I was under
12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM
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Re: That wasn't the impression I was under
13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM
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Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux"
15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM
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For the record...
12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM
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Re: For the record...
12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM
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Re: For the record...
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Re: For the record...
12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM
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No no, I know how you feel. I'm just disinclined to have sympathy for the school.
12/03/2010 11:28:35 PM
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Alternatively, I have little sympathy for the school, I just don't have much for her either
12/03/2010 11:56:08 PM
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Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit?
12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM
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Regardless of "rights" invovled, I don't see why she shouldn't be able to go as she pleases.
12/03/2010 05:25:31 PM
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When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend
12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM
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Another thing I think people should remember -
12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM
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One point though
12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM
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Re: One point though
12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM
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My point was that it was a hollow reassurance
12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM
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yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much?
13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM
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Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else
13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM
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It does
13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM
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Re: It does
13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM
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I typically agree with you
13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM
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Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory
13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM
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Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory
15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM
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Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory
15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM
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He wasn't neccessarily advocating it. He was translating what they were doing into something that
16/03/2010 01:37:59 AM
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I'd argue that that kind of hypocrisy is invaluable in today's world, actually.
16/03/2010 01:46:16 AM
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Re: It does
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Re: It does
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Re: It does
13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM
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Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM*
12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM
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So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened
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