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Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM
Your premise ignores the issue of "tyranny of the masses".

To be axiomic, that which expands rights under the law is just: that which does not, is injust.
Bullshit. I don't believe that. Prove the "axiomic" principle you are stating. How is your asserting this position any different from the people who think it axiomatic that homosexual is wrong and always will be? That is their belief and your belief in the expansion of rights is not superior just because it is YOU who believes it.

Within the legal strictures and priviledges of marriage, what does it matter whether or not the two people are the same sex or not?
Because it is for different sexes. Otherwise, why not call men women and women men?

Our legal and cultural foundations may by inspired by Christian values, but we're not a theocracy.

So what? I guess we should go back to all those same-sex marriages of the pagan countries, like ancient Rome and Greece and Egypt...oh, wait. Marriage has been around a lot longer than Christianity. It was simply another institution Christianity coopted for its own reasons. Our view of marriage has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with a millenia-old tradition of a single characteristic in its practice. Even societies in our traditions that did not have an issue with same-sex relations did not have same-sex marriage.

Same-sex marriages couldn't possibly do more to "defile the sanctity of marriage" than how marriage is treated in this country by opposite-sex marriagess (50% divorce rate, anyone?).
By this line of thought, it is impossible to rape a slut. Stealing from a poor person is acceptable, because it's no big loss. Beating up on someone who is already badly injured is cool, because they were already disabled.

Not to mention that throughout history marriage has predominantly been for economic bonds, political pacts, financial gain (which is still so common that we colloquially refer to it as "gold-digging" ), etc... hardly building a tradition of sanctity you claim to be supporting.
I don't. Idiot. I am opposed to same-sex marriage, because it is a ridiculous affectation and a crusade for a special privilege by a group that already has equality, and is making outrageous demands that people twist their practices to conform to this small group's bizarre and outrageous desires.

In fact, all that anti-marriage stuff you cite is EXACTLY why I am opposed to same-sex marriage - there are economic and legal issues that affect people who have nothing to do with the marriages themselves, and same sex marriages will force others to conform to these positions even if they do not believe in it. If it were a simple stupid romantic commitment, I would not give a damn what they got up to or chose to call themselves. It is their attempts to horn in on those societal positions that I take issue with.
Cannoli
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- The Crownless

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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1921 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 322 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 367 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 742 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 1003 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 831 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 838 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 851 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 966 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 925 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 929 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 841 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 899 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 781 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 847 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 771 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 786 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 837 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 735 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 705 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 810 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 741 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 794 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 733 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 811 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 844 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 955 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 831 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 806 Views
Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM 852 Views
Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile? - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM 829 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 862 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 864 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 783 Views
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Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 772 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 765 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 831 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 798 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 797 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 683 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 839 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 732 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 790 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 787 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 791 Views
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Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 852 Views
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Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 788 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 790 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 875 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 756 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 913 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 903 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 822 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 890 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 724 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 688 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 751 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 736 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 676 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 792 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 736 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 698 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 751 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 950 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 864 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 342 Views
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This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 824 Views
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You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 313 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 730 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 798 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 678 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 834 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 737 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 855 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 495 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 676 Views
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